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**illignocearia** · 03-03-2011, 05:06 PM

Who said anything about supporting or shrugging off this incident? I sure as hell didn't. What I am saying is that it is, sadly, part of the reality of what is going on over there. No matter how hard we try to avoid incidents like this they are still bound to happen.

You did not get my point then. NATO could stay another 10 years and still maker the same excuses you are making. But they cannot point to any meaningful results of their current strategy of shooting blindly in the dark with their fingers crossed.

So how does my experience, and that of my comrades, not reflect the reality of it? Sounds to me, Andrew, that you don't want to know anything, you don't want to hear anything. You want to go on believing what you do and will not let any amount of first hand experience or knowledge sway you. Because it is personal, and as such irrelevant to the big picture i am concerned about. You have offered slogans like "do what needs to be done" but nobody knows what that means - mass murder, scorched earth, carpet bombing? If that is what you mean can you describe in detail how that would translate into success? How would it be different from anywhere else that has been tried in the last 50 years? Again, after 10 years where are we? Thousands of people dead for what? Can you point to any real success that will last beyond the moment NATO eventually leaves? Your personal experience might be interesting over a few beers, but that is it.

I want to hear something meaningful. Not "war is bad and there are mistakes"... we all know that already. We want to know exactly what it is these civilians are dying for because it sure the fuck is not clear to most people.

Andrew

03-03-2011, 05:06 PM	#28
illignocearia Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	Who said anything about supporting or shrugging off this incident? I sure as hell didn't. What I am saying is that it is, sadly, part of the reality of what is going on over there. No matter how hard we try to avoid incidents like this they are still bound to happen. You did not get my point then. NATO could stay another 10 years and still maker the same excuses you are making. But they cannot point to any meaningful results of their current strategy of shooting blindly in the dark with their fingers crossed. So how does my experience, and that of my comrades, not reflect the reality of it? Sounds to me, Andrew, that you don't want to know anything, you don't want to hear anything. You want to go on believing what you do and will not let any amount of first hand experience or knowledge sway you. Because it is personal, and as such irrelevant to the big picture i am concerned about. You have offered slogans like "do what needs to be done" but nobody knows what that means - mass murder, scorched earth, carpet bombing? If that is what you mean can you describe in detail how that would translate into success? How would it be different from anywhere else that has been tried in the last 50 years? Again, after 10 years where are we? Thousands of people dead for what? Can you point to any real success that will last beyond the moment NATO eventually leaves? Your personal experience might be interesting over a few beers, but that is it. I want to hear something meaningful. Not "war is bad and there are mistakes"... we all know that already. We want to know exactly what it is these civilians are dying for because it sure the fuck is not clear to most people. Andrew
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