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**Maryjasmine** · 12-02-2011, 02:05 PM

I have never seen such bravery before.

Egyptians, in millions, protested 24/7 for more than two weeks, they slept outside, until the dictator Mubarak left.

So a second American Ally falls in the region. One by one they will all fall.

Obama and the west tried to play the "we are with the Egyptians" card,... "we support Decmoracy" card.... all failed. They think people are stupid,... Egyptians will NEVER forget America's 30 year support to this dictator. They paid him 1.3 Billion dollars to bend over to Israel and ensure his people are oppressed and tortured.

This is REAL democracy. 80 Million Egyptians decided he has to go and they didnt back off until he went.

Now every arab dictator is pissing his pants while Obama and Natanyahu are on the phone 24/7 trying to keep their puppets in place.

Fox News tried to play the Muslim Brotherhood card,... FAILED.... CNN was professional and covered the whole event live with opinions from all sides.

Muslim Brotherhood had nothing to do with this issue. Fox News brought some zionist commentators saying that Egypt is going down the path of Iran and MB are going to take over bla bla bla .. . . who believes these assholes anyway. They always wanna paint a negative picture of Islam and Muslims and always wanna put Israel as the victim.

Congratulations to Egyptians,... they showed us democracy the peaceful way, not the American way (dropping bombs, invading countries, 100,000s killed, etc).

WS.

I agree with most of what you say, and I am very happy and proud for the people of Egypt. I wish them the best to bring this peaceful revolution to a peaceful new government of their choice.

I do disagree that Obama was playing a dirty role in all this. I believe he did exactly what he needed to do: he stayed as neutral as possible as a politicien, and yet supported the people of Egypt in their struggle.

I do not believe that it is fair to assign the ugly history of the last 30 years on a President that has been in place only 2 years, and who has been so criticized by some quarters for NOT being supportive of the "status quo" in foreign relations.

Does anyone remember President Obama's speech given in Egypt in June 2009? Here is a partial quote from that speech:

"So let me be clear: no system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other.

That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn’t steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere.

There is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments — provided they govern with respect for all their people.

This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others. No matter where it takes hold, government of the people and by the people sets a single standard for all who hold power: you must maintain your power through consent, not coercion; you must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise; you must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party. Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy."

link: Full text: Barack Obama's Cairo speech | World news | guardian.co.uk Jun 4, 2009 ... Full text: Barack Obama's Cairo speech. This article was published on guardian. co.uk at 11.17 BST on Thursday 4 June 2009 . ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/.../2009/....e-speech-egypt - Cached - Similar

12-02-2011, 02:05 PM	#35
Maryjasmine Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 542 Senior Member	I have never seen such bravery before. Egyptians, in millions, protested 24/7 for more than two weeks, they slept outside, until the dictator Mubarak left. So a second American Ally falls in the region. One by one they will all fall. Obama and the west tried to play the "we are with the Egyptians" card,... "we support Decmoracy" card.... all failed. They think people are stupid,... Egyptians will NEVER forget America's 30 year support to this dictator. They paid him 1.3 Billion dollars to bend over to Israel and ensure his people are oppressed and tortured. This is REAL democracy. 80 Million Egyptians decided he has to go and they didnt back off until he went. Now every arab dictator is pissing his pants while Obama and Natanyahu are on the phone 24/7 trying to keep their puppets in place. Fox News tried to play the Muslim Brotherhood card,... FAILED.... CNN was professional and covered the whole event live with opinions from all sides. Muslim Brotherhood had nothing to do with this issue. Fox News brought some zionist commentators saying that Egypt is going down the path of Iran and MB are going to take over bla bla bla .. . . who believes these assholes anyway. They always wanna paint a negative picture of Islam and Muslims and always wanna put Israel as the victim. Congratulations to Egyptians,... they showed us democracy the peaceful way, not the American way (dropping bombs, invading countries, 100,000s killed, etc). WS. I agree with most of what you say, and I am very happy and proud for the people of Egypt. I wish them the best to bring this peaceful revolution to a peaceful new government of their choice. I do disagree that Obama was playing a dirty role in all this. I believe he did exactly what he needed to do: he stayed as neutral as possible as a politicien, and yet supported the people of Egypt in their struggle. I do not believe that it is fair to assign the ugly history of the last 30 years on a President that has been in place only 2 years, and who has been so criticized by some quarters for NOT being supportive of the "status quo" in foreign relations. Does anyone remember President Obama's speech given in Egypt in June 2009? Here is a partial quote from that speech: "So let me be clear: no system of government can or should be imposed upon one nation by any other. That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people. Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people. America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election. But I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things: the ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed; confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice; government that is transparent and doesn’t steal from the people; the freedom to live as you choose. Those are not just American ideas, they are human rights, and that is why we will support them everywhere. There is no straight line to realize this promise. But this much is clear: governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful and secure. Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them. And we will welcome all elected, peaceful governments — provided they govern with respect for all their people. This last point is important because there are some who advocate for democracy only when they are out of power; once in power, they are ruthless in suppressing the rights of others. No matter where it takes hold, government of the people and by the people sets a single standard for all who hold power: you must maintain your power through consent, not coercion; you must respect the rights of minorities, and participate with a spirit of tolerance and compromise; you must place the interests of your people and the legitimate workings of the political process above your party. Without these ingredients, elections alone do not make true democracy." link: Full text: Barack Obama's Cairo speech \| World news \| guardian.co.uk Jun 4, 2009 ... Full text: Barack Obama's Cairo speech. This article was published on guardian. co.uk at 11.17 BST on Thursday 4 June 2009 . ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/.../2009/....e-speech-egypt - Cached - Similar
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