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**drugsprevi** · 01-12-2010, 09:04 PM

If the media accounts are correct, Jason, this guy actually pulled out his phone and dialed the number he thought would detonate the bomb.

That's not something he was trapped into doing - he chose to do that, thinking he was about to kill and mail untold numbers of people.

Matt

Yes of course, that's true, however, if this story were real and not a sting operation, who do you think we'd be throwing the book at, the 19 year old errand boy, or the guy twice his age that funded the thing?

There are confused people like this kid, but then there are the brains of the operation, the one who is looked upon as the smart one, the one with connections, the one with the cash.

This kid was seriously going in the wrong direction, that's clear from everything you can read about him. However, I think the best, smartest and most efficient use of resources would have been to have an FBI agent follow and listen to see what, where and who it gets us.

I prefer the real world instead of fairy tales, and this kid should have gone down for actually going about doing something on his own, without the help of an older man who he simply trusted, since he did everything the older guy wanted him to do.

Given the chance to do harm to people, he took it in a hypothetical scenario. I find that a lot less interesting and a lot more troubling than had we just followed the guy around.

I wonder how much more it cost to design this whole frickin' scenario rather than just letting good investigative work win the day.

The authorities in this case are going to have some serious explaining to do, and it doesn't help their case that they don't have the first meeting recorded between the older guy and the kid, which just lends to this story being fishy.

Things should be done the way they were done with the millenium bomber, in terms of a person who we have information on prior to the event they want to execute. That guy was followed, the Canadian authorities handed over everything they knew about it to the Americans, and then the guy was picked up at the border with the explosives in his car, meant for LAX airport.

That guy decided to do something real and to carry out a real attempt at something. Meanwhile, this kid was attempting to connect to somebody who could help him along in his quest, and instead of just following that and seeing where it played out, we intervened, and I just think it's fishy. It smells.

Again, in a real time scenario, where we pick up the older and the younger, we profile immediately and correctly who the errand person is and who the mastermind is, just like with the snipers a few years ago.

And I'm sorry to say it, but this kid is no mastermind. They gave him the resources and all the tools necessary for what he had to do, and only then did he actually do it.

If authorities have picked up on somebody, I just think it's wiser to leave individuals to their own devices, since in the end it could lead us to other people of interest as well, but we didn't let that happen in this case, and I think that's unfortunate.

The trial will clear everything up, but boy does this smell bad.

01-12-2010, 09:04 PM	#16
drugsprevi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	If the media accounts are correct, Jason, this guy actually pulled out his phone and dialed the number he thought would detonate the bomb. That's not something he was trapped into doing - he chose to do that, thinking he was about to kill and mail untold numbers of people. Matt Yes of course, that's true, however, if this story were real and not a sting operation, who do you think we'd be throwing the book at, the 19 year old errand boy, or the guy twice his age that funded the thing? There are confused people like this kid, but then there are the brains of the operation, the one who is looked upon as the smart one, the one with connections, the one with the cash. This kid was seriously going in the wrong direction, that's clear from everything you can read about him. However, I think the best, smartest and most efficient use of resources would have been to have an FBI agent follow and listen to see what, where and who it gets us. I prefer the real world instead of fairy tales, and this kid should have gone down for actually going about doing something on his own, without the help of an older man who he simply trusted, since he did everything the older guy wanted him to do. Given the chance to do harm to people, he took it in a hypothetical scenario. I find that a lot less interesting and a lot more troubling than had we just followed the guy around. I wonder how much more it cost to design this whole frickin' scenario rather than just letting good investigative work win the day. The authorities in this case are going to have some serious explaining to do, and it doesn't help their case that they don't have the first meeting recorded between the older guy and the kid, which just lends to this story being fishy. Things should be done the way they were done with the millenium bomber, in terms of a person who we have information on prior to the event they want to execute. That guy was followed, the Canadian authorities handed over everything they knew about it to the Americans, and then the guy was picked up at the border with the explosives in his car, meant for LAX airport. That guy decided to do something real and to carry out a real attempt at something. Meanwhile, this kid was attempting to connect to somebody who could help him along in his quest, and instead of just following that and seeing where it played out, we intervened, and I just think it's fishy. It smells. Again, in a real time scenario, where we pick up the older and the younger, we profile immediately and correctly who the errand person is and who the mastermind is, just like with the snipers a few years ago. And I'm sorry to say it, but this kid is no mastermind. They gave him the resources and all the tools necessary for what he had to do, and only then did he actually do it. If authorities have picked up on somebody, I just think it's wiser to leave individuals to their own devices, since in the end it could lead us to other people of interest as well, but we didn't let that happen in this case, and I think that's unfortunate. The trial will clear everything up, but boy does this smell bad.
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