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**18holesin** · 08-10-2010, 08:38 PM

I'm not familiar enough with the situation in the Barbary Wars to be able to say. What I'm saying is that I have extreme reservations about the capture and holding of individuals in sovereign nations within which we have no legitimate military presence, and who have no demonstrable active and immediate threat against the US or its interests, without trial, hearing, counsel, or other reasonable process. It goes against what I believe this country to be founded upon.

Fair enough, but I think you have an overly romanticized vision of the foundation of the country. The Founders wanted their own country and they espoused great principles, yes, but they knew they couldn't be pussy-footing around with enemies. They didn't do the things you believe ought to be required by the Constitution, and no one has since.

Let's not beat a dead horse here. If you're interested I think you should read about the Barbary Wars, and, in particular, make sure you check out the treaty I referred to.

08-10-2010, 08:38 PM	#36
18holesin Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 580 Senior Member	I'm not familiar enough with the situation in the Barbary Wars to be able to say. What I'm saying is that I have extreme reservations about the capture and holding of individuals in sovereign nations within which we have no legitimate military presence, and who have no demonstrable active and immediate threat against the US or its interests, without trial, hearing, counsel, or other reasonable process. It goes against what I believe this country to be founded upon. Fair enough, but I think you have an overly romanticized vision of the foundation of the country. The Founders wanted their own country and they espoused great principles, yes, but they knew they couldn't be pussy-footing around with enemies. They didn't do the things you believe ought to be required by the Constitution, and no one has since. Let's not beat a dead horse here. If you're interested I think you should read about the Barbary Wars, and, in particular, make sure you check out the treaty I referred to.
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