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**TobaccoNUE** · 09-10-2010, 01:03 AM

Is this statement a threat? This is not a GZ mosque thread. I would like to hear a discussion of whether the 'peaceful' iman is making a threat against the US. If he is so peaceful, then why doesn't he delineate himself from the 'radicals' instead of furthering their agenda.

When 9-11 happened, shortly after, we were told repeatedly not to let the terrorists change our way of life. Yet, today, on all sides we are being told that we MUST change our way of life to suit them - all of them - or they will do violence to, not just our soldiers, but US citizens as well. WTF? What happend?

Again, this is NOT about GZ mosque. Hopefully this will be a dialogue about dialogue, rhetoric, threats of violence, US response to those threats 'then and now.' WHY such a change over the last decade? Are we whipped? Does this mean we have lost the 'war on terror' and now must accept dictation from all of islam? If so IS there such a thing as peaceful islam? It sure sounds like the iman is working the agenda of Al Qaida to me.

Note, in the article, this is phrased in 2 or 3 different ways. Is this a threat? If so, or if not, then why.

Imam: Handling of Islamic center plan a matter of national security - CNN.com

I don't think so. He's merely pointing out how extremists spin the real facts or even falsify them to gain an edge.

For example, earlier in the Afghan conflict, the Taliban spread rumours that American forces had desecrated Qu'rans and had even thrown a dead dog into a mosque. It was totally false, but they love stirring the pot to make people believe that the US is anti-Muslim. They also spin any facts that help them. Anti-Muslim sentiments, even by a few exceptions, is spun to make it seem like it's a rule for Americans. They'll spin the moving of the Park51 project as a triumph of anti-Muslim sentiments rather than an objection to the location itself due to sensitivity to what occurred there whereby they'll profit even moreso by the crimes they committed there on 9.11.

It's also important to note that many people in poor regions get their information sources from toxic sources and don't understand what's really going on in the US in any detail or understand how it works. For example, many poor Afghans don't realise that the POTUS and the rest of the US government doesn't have the constitutional power to stop burning of Qu'rans given their own system and way of life. Things like limited government, civil rights, etc, simply hasn't exist in their world and it's something that the UN force there is only now trying to introduce. The Taliban, AQ and other extremists have no problem whatsoever allowing the local people to have erroneous understandings and spin incidents to make it seem that: 1) the US is anti-Muslim, and 2) the government and people are just fine in allowing it and fostering it in deeds.

09-10-2010, 01:03 AM	#15
TobaccoNUE Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	Is this statement a threat? This is not a GZ mosque thread. I would like to hear a discussion of whether the 'peaceful' iman is making a threat against the US. If he is so peaceful, then why doesn't he delineate himself from the 'radicals' instead of furthering their agenda. When 9-11 happened, shortly after, we were told repeatedly not to let the terrorists change our way of life. Yet, today, on all sides we are being told that we MUST change our way of life to suit them - all of them - or they will do violence to, not just our soldiers, but US citizens as well. WTF? What happend? Again, this is NOT about GZ mosque. Hopefully this will be a dialogue about dialogue, rhetoric, threats of violence, US response to those threats 'then and now.' WHY such a change over the last decade? Are we whipped? Does this mean we have lost the 'war on terror' and now must accept dictation from all of islam? If so IS there such a thing as peaceful islam? It sure sounds like the iman is working the agenda of Al Qaida to me. Note, in the article, this is phrased in 2 or 3 different ways. Is this a threat? If so, or if not, then why. Imam: Handling of Islamic center plan a matter of national security - CNN.com I don't think so. He's merely pointing out how extremists spin the real facts or even falsify them to gain an edge. For example, earlier in the Afghan conflict, the Taliban spread rumours that American forces had desecrated Qu'rans and had even thrown a dead dog into a mosque. It was totally false, but they love stirring the pot to make people believe that the US is anti-Muslim. They also spin any facts that help them. Anti-Muslim sentiments, even by a few exceptions, is spun to make it seem like it's a rule for Americans. They'll spin the moving of the Park51 project as a triumph of anti-Muslim sentiments rather than an objection to the location itself due to sensitivity to what occurred there whereby they'll profit even moreso by the crimes they committed there on 9.11. It's also important to note that many people in poor regions get their information sources from toxic sources and don't understand what's really going on in the US in any detail or understand how it works. For example, many poor Afghans don't realise that the POTUS and the rest of the US government doesn't have the constitutional power to stop burning of Qu'rans given their own system and way of life. Things like limited government, civil rights, etc, simply hasn't exist in their world and it's something that the UN force there is only now trying to introduce. The Taliban, AQ and other extremists have no problem whatsoever allowing the local people to have erroneous understandings and spin incidents to make it seem that: 1) the US is anti-Muslim, and 2) the government and people are just fine in allowing it and fostering it in deeds.
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