hey C-Tech ... yeah i guess all that matters is how to play the wind ... maybe i'm thinking too much about how low is low enough ... ha ... you said fliers reduce the spin of the ball and that makes the ball fly long ... but again i thought increased spin increases ascent which increases carry ... i still can't certainly wrap my mind around how low or no spin makes the ball carry farther unless its because the ball slides up the face and launches higher ... otherwise i could see a flier launching lower and maybe rolling more ... but not carrying more ... i guess again i suppose all that matters is that's what happens ... but i'd just like to understand the dynamic of why it happens ... the quizzical WTH for me unfortunately happens more often than just on the fliers