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**zooworms** · 07-02-2010, 10:02 PM

China sells arms to Iran, they really have no ground to stand on whining about this.

Matt

ahoy Sir Mod, mighty MattLarson!

matey, i don't see this as an issue 'o whether the are chinese bein' hypocrites or not. i was thinkin' that with our great and powerful nation bein' so reliant on China, 'tis unwise to do anythin' that we don't absolutely need to that would end up aggravatin' a world power that we're so dependent on.

imms not Melawatti, not by a long shot...but i sees China as a power that be on a swift ascent, and our fearsome country seems to be sailin' in the opposite direction. it just doesn't seem in our best interest to do anything that might rile China, as they may well have the whip hand in the comin' decade. america needs china to take a benevolent view 'o our land.

*bows*

- MeadHallPirate

We are obligated by treaty to defend Taiwan.

Why does China have such a problem with self determination?

*bows to Commodore*

the treaty itself be absurd, matey...in this day and age, it be lunacy to think that the United States would sail to the aid 'o taiwan should things come to military blows.

i can imagine what the tea party movement would think 'o the president bleedin' our country dry by confrontin' the Chinese in the open seas.

that treaty needs to be revisited, mate.

- MeadHallPirate

Why should we let the Chinese take Taiwan?

There is some disagreement as to whether Taiwan is or was ever a part of China.

On the other hand, the position of most Chinese reunification supporters believe the Chinese Civil War is still not concluded as no peace treaty was even signed. Therefore, the current political separation across the Taiwan strait is only temporary and a reunified China including both mainland China and Taiwan will be the result.

Until the mid-90s, the position of the Republic of China had been that it was a de jure sovereign state. "Republic of China," according to the ROC Political status of Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is no debate that Iran was EVER part of the US. But if it were and we wanted it back, we would not stand on ceremony to get it any more than we stand on ceremony to take middle east oil.

China has been around 5000 years. I have no doubt that China knows how to be around another 5000. Subsidizing the US is part of that. So is making us fat and lazy, just like they made their rulers fat and lazy over decades, and centuries. They definitely have a plan. And seeing China as a minor playor on the world scene is a big mistake. Also, so is seeing them as being beneth us. They have most of the engineers of the world, all of their children take English from ages 13-17; if you speak in their presence they will understand you, but you will not understand them unless they speak your language.

Granted, they don't have all the human rights we have, but give them time. Just in the last few years they released their lawyers from government control. That in and of itself will give the people of China a footing they have never before had. Of couse WE want to kill all our lawyers because we don't see their relevance where our rights are concerned.

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zooworms Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 364 Senior Member	China sells arms to Iran, they really have no ground to stand on whining about this. Matt ahoy Sir Mod, mighty MattLarson! matey, i don't see this as an issue 'o whether the are chinese bein' hypocrites or not. i was thinkin' that with our great and powerful nation bein' so reliant on China, 'tis unwise to do anythin' that we don't absolutely need to that would end up aggravatin' a world power that we're so dependent on. imms not Melawatti, not by a long shot...but i sees China as a power that be on a swift ascent, and our fearsome country seems to be sailin' in the opposite direction. it just doesn't seem in our best interest to do anything that might rile China, as they may well have the whip hand in the comin' decade. america needs china to take a benevolent view 'o our land. bows - MeadHallPirate We are obligated by treaty to defend Taiwan. Why does China have such a problem with self determination? bows to Commodore the treaty itself be absurd, matey...in this day and age, it be lunacy to think that the United States would sail to the aid 'o taiwan should things come to military blows. i can imagine what the tea party movement would think 'o the president bleedin' our country dry by confrontin' the Chinese in the open seas. that treaty needs to be revisited, mate. - MeadHallPirate Why should we let the Chinese take Taiwan? There is some disagreement as to whether Taiwan is or was ever a part of China. On the other hand, the position of most Chinese reunification supporters believe the Chinese Civil War is still not concluded as no peace treaty was even signed. Therefore, the current political separation across the Taiwan strait is only temporary and a reunified China including both mainland China and Taiwan will be the result. Until the mid-90s, the position of the Republic of China had been that it was a de jure sovereign state. "Republic of China," according to the ROC Political status of Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There is no debate that Iran was EVER part of the US. But if it were and we wanted it back, we would not stand on ceremony to get it any more than we stand on ceremony to take middle east oil. China has been around 5000 years. I have no doubt that China knows how to be around another 5000. Subsidizing the US is part of that. So is making us fat and lazy, just like they made their rulers fat and lazy over decades, and centuries. They definitely have a plan. And seeing China as a minor playor on the world scene is a big mistake. Also, so is seeing them as being beneth us. They have most of the engineers of the world, all of their children take English from ages 13-17; if you speak in their presence they will understand you, but you will not understand them unless they speak your language. Granted, they don't have all the human rights we have, but give them time. Just in the last few years they released their lawyers from government control. That in and of itself will give the people of China a footing they have never before had. Of couse WE want to kill all our lawyers because we don't see their relevance where our rights are concerned.
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