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**Enfonebew** · 08-02-2010, 09:27 AM

Well, IMO, they're just as dependent upon us. As for the loans China has given us, as J Paul Getty once said: "If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem." Plus, they have big trade interests with the US. The US and China like to criticise each other, sometime rightfully and sometimes wrongfully, but each pretty much is dependent upon the other. If China attacks Taiwan, it will have a hell of a problem given the Taiwanese alone. Trying to invade it is one set of lumps internationally and between Taiwan, and trying to hold it if they succeed in invading it is permanent set of them. As Minister Tallyrand quipped: "You can do anything with bayonets...except sit on them." If the Taiwanese don't want Red China taking it over, all Red China will be doing is swallowing a razor blade trying to successfully conquer it.

They are dependent on us, OSB, but IMO their dependence on us is just not the same type of dependence. And it is somewhat difficult to explain what I mean. One major way we differ is in our standard of living. When I went I was with a group of nurses. And as such, we live very differently that the nurses in China. We all have our own homes and individual lives. In China, the nurses live in the hospital. They have their own 'quarters' 6 to a room, bunk beds and very few personal belongings. We are so invested in our 'lifestyles' here that to lose that would be in many cases insurmountable. There, such loss would change very little in the lives of the individual. Globally speaking, yes, they ARE dependent on us. Individually, I'm not sure they really are. And one but has to drive past miles and miles of the communist apartments all of which have the thermoses that holds their boiled water sitting in the windows.

08-02-2010, 09:27 AM	#22
Enfonebew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	Well, IMO, they're just as dependent upon us. As for the loans China has given us, as J Paul Getty once said: "If you owe the bank $100 that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem." Plus, they have big trade interests with the US. The US and China like to criticise each other, sometime rightfully and sometimes wrongfully, but each pretty much is dependent upon the other. If China attacks Taiwan, it will have a hell of a problem given the Taiwanese alone. Trying to invade it is one set of lumps internationally and between Taiwan, and trying to hold it if they succeed in invading it is permanent set of them. As Minister Tallyrand quipped: "You can do anything with bayonets...except sit on them." If the Taiwanese don't want Red China taking it over, all Red China will be doing is swallowing a razor blade trying to successfully conquer it. They are dependent on us, OSB, but IMO their dependence on us is just not the same type of dependence. And it is somewhat difficult to explain what I mean. One major way we differ is in our standard of living. When I went I was with a group of nurses. And as such, we live very differently that the nurses in China. We all have our own homes and individual lives. In China, the nurses live in the hospital. They have their own 'quarters' 6 to a room, bunk beds and very few personal belongings. We are so invested in our 'lifestyles' here that to lose that would be in many cases insurmountable. There, such loss would change very little in the lives of the individual. Globally speaking, yes, they ARE dependent on us. Individually, I'm not sure they really are. And one but has to drive past miles and miles of the communist apartments all of which have the thermoses that holds their boiled water sitting in the windows.
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