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**Xiciljed** · 06-07-2011, 01:31 AM

If it was true, the car would be much faster than S2000. And that's just a fantasy. Moreover such measure apply only on one particular track with one particular driver, one tyres, one weather etc.

And I simply don't believe that let's say 60 kg and better suspension can do 1s/km. Look at that realistically, 1s/km is 5 minutes on a rally like Ypres! Even if it is 0,3 s/km it's still huge improvement.

It depends a lot on surface. For example, when we take South-Estonian rally in 2010
RALLI » VÃµistlused » Tulemused
Tänak had Subaru with latest improvements (without R4 kit of course, but with bigger restrictor)
He was fastest GrN car
Gardemeister was second 83 sec behind and
Prokop was further behind but without his time penalty he was around 70 sec behind
They covered around 185 km, so he was around 0.38-0.4 sec per km faster (he didn't had to push the last, because he didn't had to). Rally is fast and Subaru with its high speed had an advantage.
Another factor is that I think Tänak was running with BFgoodrich and the others with Pirelli control tires, but I am not sure (Tire company was not visible in Prokop car). Maybe some home rally effect as well (Prokop was also not first timer in South-Estonia).

Two weeks later, Tänak with Mistu and Toni and Prokop with Ford in Finland.
Fastest was Toni, Prokop around 55 sec behind and Tänak around 95 sec behind during the first 13 stages (approximately 190 km) and at the beginning they all pushed very hard. So, now Tänak was 0.5 sec slower than Toni (now Toni had home effect). Yes, this time he had heavier Pirelli car with control tires bust still the difference in two rallies is around 0.9 sec/km between the same two drivers. I do not think it is all down to tires and some extra weight only.

So, a bit softer and sandier surface with some more straights in S-E was more suitable to traditional GrN car than S2000 car. You can also see that Kaur started under supreally on Sunday and he was also faster than Prokop and Gardemeister.
So, if you add R4 kit to those cars, then I think they might be very, very competitive on such a surface, compared to S2000 cars.

06-07-2011, 01:31 AM	#38
Xiciljed Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 433 Senior Member	If it was true, the car would be much faster than S2000. And that's just a fantasy. Moreover such measure apply only on one particular track with one particular driver, one tyres, one weather etc. And I simply don't believe that let's say 60 kg and better suspension can do 1s/km. Look at that realistically, 1s/km is 5 minutes on a rally like Ypres! Even if it is 0,3 s/km it's still huge improvement. It depends a lot on surface. For example, when we take South-Estonian rally in 2010 RALLI » VÃµistlused » Tulemused Tänak had Subaru with latest improvements (without R4 kit of course, but with bigger restrictor) He was fastest GrN car Gardemeister was second 83 sec behind and Prokop was further behind but without his time penalty he was around 70 sec behind They covered around 185 km, so he was around 0.38-0.4 sec per km faster (he didn't had to push the last, because he didn't had to). Rally is fast and Subaru with its high speed had an advantage. Another factor is that I think Tänak was running with BFgoodrich and the others with Pirelli control tires, but I am not sure (Tire company was not visible in Prokop car). Maybe some home rally effect as well (Prokop was also not first timer in South-Estonia). Two weeks later, Tänak with Mistu and Toni and Prokop with Ford in Finland. Fastest was Toni, Prokop around 55 sec behind and Tänak around 95 sec behind during the first 13 stages (approximately 190 km) and at the beginning they all pushed very hard. So, now Tänak was 0.5 sec slower than Toni (now Toni had home effect). Yes, this time he had heavier Pirelli car with control tires bust still the difference in two rallies is around 0.9 sec/km between the same two drivers. I do not think it is all down to tires and some extra weight only. So, a bit softer and sandier surface with some more straights in S-E was more suitable to traditional GrN car than S2000 car. You can also see that Kaur started under supreally on Sunday and he was also faster than Prokop and Gardemeister. So, if you add R4 kit to those cars, then I think they might be very, very competitive on such a surface, compared to S2000 cars.
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