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**hoarrimilsora** · 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM

Of course today's headline from the NY Times reads

Quite simply it is really hard for republicans to make that mental gymnastic of having for 8 years denounced as traitors those who did not support the commander in chief, celebrated themselves as liberators, argued that they were making the world a safer place through war to now argue roughly the exact opposite.
Obviously the same is true for liberals in their non-support/support for the various admins.
Blind ideology makes it hard to be objective.
For my part, if Qaddafy falls in the next month, that their continues to be no American casualties, and the rebels are able to impose their planned election with no one pulling a coup, (none of these things are guaranteed by any stretch mind you) I have a hard time seeing how or why the neocons froth at the mouth on this issue...
...But I would look forward to more pretzel logic as to why this was an awful, horrible, terribly bad thing to do

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I agree with Alma, rocheteau, that Republicans haven't lost their love for the military-indutrial establishment. But, as I said before, I think that they are mainily opposed to intervention in Libya and Syria because it distracts from attention given to their big bete noir, Iran. Some history:

We probably all know by now that the US and England overthrew the only elected Muslim democracy in the Mid-East in 1953 when the CIA and MI 6 overthrew the government of Dr. Mohammed Mossedegh in Iran and installed the Shah.

In 1979 there was an Iranian revolution sparked by a student rebellion, civil disobedience, and riots, and the US puppet Shah fled to the US. Then, Irainian students took US employees at the US Embassy hostage, demanding the Shah's money back, and that he and his SAVAK secret police be tried for crimes against humanity, creating the "Iranian hostage crisis," that went on for months.
Iranian Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, here's the case against Iran:

1. The Pentagon and State Department still resent the Iranians kicking out their guy.

2. The Iranians are now a relatively wealthy Mid-East country which wants to develop nuclear weapons to neutralize Israel's nuclear trump card (Or to do evil, depending on your viewpoint.)

3. Iran now buys its weapons from Russia, China, and elsewhere, and no longer from the US military-industial complex.

All three of these reasons contribute to McCain and Santorum wanting to Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran. But, IMHO the real driving force behind the Hate Iran effort are Orthodox Jewish neocons like Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer.

For those non-North Americans, McCain's "Bomb, bomb Iran" was sung to the tune of the Beach Boys' song, Barbara Ann.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wbMqRO6lnc

BTW, there are plenty of Democrats also itching to bomb Iran and plenty of others who love military-industrial complex donations to their re-elction campaings who would happily vote to attack Iran if push came to shove.

08-29-2012, 10:31 PM	#20
hoarrimilsora Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 624 Senior Member	Of course today's headline from the NY Times reads Quite simply it is really hard for republicans to make that mental gymnastic of having for 8 years denounced as traitors those who did not support the commander in chief, celebrated themselves as liberators, argued that they were making the world a safer place through war to now argue roughly the exact opposite. Obviously the same is true for liberals in their non-support/support for the various admins. Blind ideology makes it hard to be objective. For my part, if Qaddafy falls in the next month, that their continues to be no American casualties, and the rebels are able to impose their planned election with no one pulling a coup, (none of these things are guaranteed by any stretch mind you) I have a hard time seeing how or why the neocons froth at the mouth on this issue... ...But I would look forward to more pretzel logic as to why this was an awful, horrible, terribly bad thing to do . I agree with Alma, rocheteau, that Republicans haven't lost their love for the military-indutrial establishment. But, as I said before, I think that they are mainily opposed to intervention in Libya and Syria because it distracts from attention given to their big bete noir, Iran. Some history: We probably all know by now that the US and England overthrew the only elected Muslim democracy in the Mid-East in 1953 when the CIA and MI 6 overthrew the government of Dr. Mohammed Mossedegh in Iran and installed the Shah. In 1979 there was an Iranian revolution sparked by a student rebellion, civil disobedience, and riots, and the US puppet Shah fled to the US. Then, Irainian students took US employees at the US Embassy hostage, demanding the Shah's money back, and that he and his SAVAK secret police be tried for crimes against humanity, creating the "Iranian hostage crisis," that went on for months. Iranian Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So, here's the case against Iran: 1. The Pentagon and State Department still resent the Iranians kicking out their guy. 2. The Iranians are now a relatively wealthy Mid-East country which wants to develop nuclear weapons to neutralize Israel's nuclear trump card (Or to do evil, depending on your viewpoint.) 3. Iran now buys its weapons from Russia, China, and elsewhere, and no longer from the US military-industial complex. All three of these reasons contribute to McCain and Santorum wanting to Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran. But, IMHO the real driving force behind the Hate Iran effort are Orthodox Jewish neocons like Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer. For those non-North Americans, McCain's "Bomb, bomb Iran" was sung to the tune of the Beach Boys' song, Barbara Ann. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wbMqRO6lnc BTW, there are plenty of Democrats also itching to bomb Iran and plenty of others who love military-industrial complex donations to their re-elction campaings who would happily vote to attack Iran if push came to shove.
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