I think both me and Langaleer got the amp new, just at a very much reduced price. In the region of £200, which is a steal. It seems to drive the speakers well and sounds good for games, movies and music. What's the best way of listening to music with this kind of setup? Adding a CD player isn't a great idea because everything is MP3 so it's too inconvienient. At the moment I copy or stream to the PS3 and play off there because it seems to be pretty capable at playing MP3's. Originally I was thinking of an iPod and dock, but that's the best part of £300, and I have no other sue for the iPod.