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**Enrobrorb** · 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM

Well without reading into your question too deep... if you are asking why can't South Carolina secede from the Union... Now? I don't know. But I thought South Carolina was the first to secede from the Union in 1860. So I guess they still can again.

That is my point. IF their right to secede was not denied the 600,000 Americans who died from bloodshed would have lived a full life and the country would not have suffered from the after math for a century or more. It is my hope the powers inherent in ANY sovereign State are not denied by the US ever again, e.g., nullification and secession.

Clearly, the federal government is not even following its own laws - acting without authority in some cases while ignoring others. In the 2nd Revolution the example was the Fugitive Slave Act. The examples today are with WV @ Article IV, Sec. 3 and now with immigration @ AZ (with 11 others States joining) and 10th Amendment @ Healthcare with FL (and 27 other States joining).

With a majority of States opposing government action as outside their proper scope, a scant few peaceful possibilities emerge:
1. Obama abandons Obamacare, his signature legislation.
2. A Constitutional Convention is convened.
3. 10th Amendment remedies are rejoined, e.g., nullification and secession.

08-29-2012, 10:31 PM	#17
Enrobrorb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 389 Senior Member	Well without reading into your question too deep... if you are asking why can't South Carolina secede from the Union... Now? I don't know. But I thought South Carolina was the first to secede from the Union in 1860. So I guess they still can again. That is my point. IF their right to secede was not denied the 600,000 Americans who died from bloodshed would have lived a full life and the country would not have suffered from the after math for a century or more. It is my hope the powers inherent in ANY sovereign State are not denied by the US ever again, e.g., nullification and secession. Clearly, the federal government is not even following its own laws - acting without authority in some cases while ignoring others. In the 2nd Revolution the example was the Fugitive Slave Act. The examples today are with WV @ Article IV, Sec. 3 and now with immigration @ AZ (with 11 others States joining) and 10th Amendment @ Healthcare with FL (and 27 other States joining). With a majority of States opposing government action as outside their proper scope, a scant few peaceful possibilities emerge: 1. Obama abandons Obamacare, his signature legislation. 2. A Constitutional Convention is convened. 3. 10th Amendment remedies are rejoined, e.g., nullification and secession.
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