[rofl] Yep that they are. I remembered how much I hated the gliding scene. Get to the field at 10, wait for an hour while they do god knows what (I could have done 5 emergency's by now, I don't need thermals!) Push the gliders to the runway at 11 Push more gliders around Push another glider around Have a flight Push a glider Have a flight it's now 4pm and we have to push all the glider's back to the hangers [cursing] I can't even stand taxiing anymore let alone all this crap. I'm used to getting to the field, being able to prep the aircraft myself, starting up, getting into a hover and then flying away [thumbup]