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**Keyclenef** · 08-29-2012, 10:32 PM

Japan used to have a reputation for making cheap crap.
China has a reputation for making cheap crap because that is what American business goes there to buy. They want to close the plant in Ohio, and make what they made there in China, and to justify it they want to pay next to nothing, and they buy cheap crap.
If you look at the last 3 or 4 thousand years, pick a year and odds are (unless you picked one of the last few hundred years, that China was the richest, most powerful, most technically advanced country in the world in that year.
That's the natural state of the world, there was a little aberration, power moved to Europe, and then to America, and now it's returning to it's natural home, China.

Well, not so sure the natural state of the world is for China to return to former glories. Yet, it is evident that China is indeed planning on replacing America as the leader and shaker of the modern world. And the sad thing is, the ludicrous thing is, the insane thing is, we are aiding them beyond their wildest imagination. I can only imagine at the conversations that go on behind closed Communist doors that speak to the grand stupidity of America, and how the greed of a few can completely destroy a once mighty Nation, that like the British Empire is winding down as China preps up to become the world's major creditor and producer of goods for the rest of the world.

I heard on C Span yesterday, from a global investor who moved his family to Singapore that astute Americans need to enroll their children into the Mandarin Chinese language classes ASAP. When the host on Washington Journal acted surprised, this guy acted surprised that this was NOT COMMON knowledge in this Nation today. It is the truth, is what it is. Being a rich investor, he knows what the trend is, and he said in 9 years, China would overtake the US in production and the size of the economy. China will be number one. And like the US once was, China is a creditior instead of a debtor. China loans money like we used to loan money to other nations. Today, we borrow!

He who is the creditior has the power and many of our previous foreign loans had strings attached, as China will have strings attached. And some think that China is not a threat? The next big war will be with China, how can it not be? And our business and trade policies have enabled this ascension of China, a Communist Nation, with little freedom for its people. We used to see that form of gov't as something we would in no way aid or support, yet what have we done? It is beyond craziness. It belongs in a sci fi tales written by a schizo.

Yet you see NO News coverage of this blatantly monumental news story, that will affect Americans in huge ways in the future. Which is sure proof to me that since a few corporations own the air waves, we are not being told the dangerous truth of what the current trend will lend not that far down the road. The effects are already felt in the snail pace unemployment recovery. We give tax breaks, to stimulate our economy, and those tax dollar fly overseas quicker than a New York second. You won't hear that on the news either.

The lack of coverage of issues that have and will direly affect Americans is scary. Instead, we are fed Jerry Springer entertainment from the major media outlets. A distraction as our Nation is bleeding itself to death, so that a few might amass great sums of money and wealth. While China is a lovin' it. And the 150 million Americans who don't watch any news today are oblivious to what is going on, IF the news even covered it, which they don't!

I heard it said this weekend on C Span that only 4.5 to 5 million Americans tune in to CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, AND NBC for news. 5 million out of over 300 million. With 150 million getting no news at all in their average day. And apparently these 150 million could care less about what is going on in the world. Now, this is a perfect recipe for bad gov't, who represents the benefactors of the multitude of lobbiests in D.C. Hell, half of the folks that live here are too involved in their cell phones, ipods, video games, sports, and films to have any time to consider what is going on in the US in regards to being sold out to China. These distractions are the Soma of the 21st Century or so it seems.

We should all be very supicious of how the biggest story since WW2 is being ignored by all of the media. IF this would have happened in the 60's, the newspapers would be filled with stories of how this new economic model is destroying the middle class and working class of America.

I will bet you one thing. If the 500 million peasants don't create great chaos in China, and China is able to give these 500 million just a little higher standard of living, to placate them, as China's middle class grows expoentially, don't expect China to let in American made goods without tarriffs, because China knows it has to make and sell chinese goods to chinese in order to keep folks employed. They won't make the same mistake we made, by stopping production of goods, just to buy them from others. China will strive to employ its own people, and to be as self suffiecient as possible in so far as industry is involved. I will bet my life on it. China will not be driven to the great degree that the US is driven, by the greed of the few. And therefore will not have the inherit weakness that hurts National economies. China will take one aspect of Capitalism, the wealth producing aspect of it, and alter it, to a hybrid, that conquers a Capitalism built only upon the greed of a few. So far, they are proving that their model is eating our lunch, as they take advantage of the weakness of a greed driven Capitalistic model that we have morphed into with the rise of the Republican Party and its inane economic ideology, that is proving valuable to the Chinese.

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Keyclenef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	Japan used to have a reputation for making cheap crap. China has a reputation for making cheap crap because that is what American business goes there to buy. They want to close the plant in Ohio, and make what they made there in China, and to justify it they want to pay next to nothing, and they buy cheap crap. If you look at the last 3 or 4 thousand years, pick a year and odds are (unless you picked one of the last few hundred years, that China was the richest, most powerful, most technically advanced country in the world in that year. That's the natural state of the world, there was a little aberration, power moved to Europe, and then to America, and now it's returning to it's natural home, China. Well, not so sure the natural state of the world is for China to return to former glories. Yet, it is evident that China is indeed planning on replacing America as the leader and shaker of the modern world. And the sad thing is, the ludicrous thing is, the insane thing is, we are aiding them beyond their wildest imagination. I can only imagine at the conversations that go on behind closed Communist doors that speak to the grand stupidity of America, and how the greed of a few can completely destroy a once mighty Nation, that like the British Empire is winding down as China preps up to become the world's major creditor and producer of goods for the rest of the world. I heard on C Span yesterday, from a global investor who moved his family to Singapore that astute Americans need to enroll their children into the Mandarin Chinese language classes ASAP. When the host on Washington Journal acted surprised, this guy acted surprised that this was NOT COMMON knowledge in this Nation today. It is the truth, is what it is. Being a rich investor, he knows what the trend is, and he said in 9 years, China would overtake the US in production and the size of the economy. China will be number one. And like the US once was, China is a creditior instead of a debtor. China loans money like we used to loan money to other nations. Today, we borrow! He who is the creditior has the power and many of our previous foreign loans had strings attached, as China will have strings attached. And some think that China is not a threat? The next big war will be with China, how can it not be? And our business and trade policies have enabled this ascension of China, a Communist Nation, with little freedom for its people. We used to see that form of gov't as something we would in no way aid or support, yet what have we done? It is beyond craziness. It belongs in a sci fi tales written by a schizo. Yet you see NO News coverage of this blatantly monumental news story, that will affect Americans in huge ways in the future. Which is sure proof to me that since a few corporations own the air waves, we are not being told the dangerous truth of what the current trend will lend not that far down the road. The effects are already felt in the snail pace unemployment recovery. We give tax breaks, to stimulate our economy, and those tax dollar fly overseas quicker than a New York second. You won't hear that on the news either. The lack of coverage of issues that have and will direly affect Americans is scary. Instead, we are fed Jerry Springer entertainment from the major media outlets. A distraction as our Nation is bleeding itself to death, so that a few might amass great sums of money and wealth. While China is a lovin' it. And the 150 million Americans who don't watch any news today are oblivious to what is going on, IF the news even covered it, which they don't! I heard it said this weekend on C Span that only 4.5 to 5 million Americans tune in to CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, AND NBC for news. 5 million out of over 300 million. With 150 million getting no news at all in their average day. And apparently these 150 million could care less about what is going on in the world. Now, this is a perfect recipe for bad gov't, who represents the benefactors of the multitude of lobbiests in D.C. Hell, half of the folks that live here are too involved in their cell phones, ipods, video games, sports, and films to have any time to consider what is going on in the US in regards to being sold out to China. These distractions are the Soma of the 21st Century or so it seems. We should all be very supicious of how the biggest story since WW2 is being ignored by all of the media. IF this would have happened in the 60's, the newspapers would be filled with stories of how this new economic model is destroying the middle class and working class of America. I will bet you one thing. If the 500 million peasants don't create great chaos in China, and China is able to give these 500 million just a little higher standard of living, to placate them, as China's middle class grows expoentially, don't expect China to let in American made goods without tarriffs, because China knows it has to make and sell chinese goods to chinese in order to keep folks employed. They won't make the same mistake we made, by stopping production of goods, just to buy them from others. China will strive to employ its own people, and to be as self suffiecient as possible in so far as industry is involved. I will bet my life on it. China will not be driven to the great degree that the US is driven, by the greed of the few. And therefore will not have the inherit weakness that hurts National economies. China will take one aspect of Capitalism, the wealth producing aspect of it, and alter it, to a hybrid, that conquers a Capitalism built only upon the greed of a few. So far, they are proving that their model is eating our lunch, as they take advantage of the weakness of a greed driven Capitalistic model that we have morphed into with the rise of the Republican Party and its inane economic ideology, that is proving valuable to the Chinese.
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