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mutelight: I don't understand. That's exactly the point. When I ask, "why should I tip?" I get exactly the answer you described. You make more money off tips and if people don't tip you lose in the end.
Then I hear bartenders/waiters I work with complain about bad tippers. I ask, why not go somewhere else where it pays minimum wage so you don't have to rely on tips. I get the answer: "I get more money." Vicious circle no? I need a more concrete reason because we are "expected" to tip these days..

By the way the wages of the restaurants I listed are a bit under minimum but not as low as the wages you mention.

Here's where I come from and I think zortoflaven and a few others had a point.

At 16, I worked as a gas attendant, for two years, part time during school and full time in the summer. I've worked three winters where I would freeze all the time and we had a tiny heater. In the spring/summer we had no roof above our little booth, so when it rains..well... it rains.. anyway. I used to get tipped about 6$ on average per shift, during christmas anywhere from 20-40$ per shift ( thats tip ).

Am I different for not expecting tips? I never expected, although it was nice to get it because I tried to work hard. So, I'll go to a restaurant, where it's nice and warm inside and have someone bring me food ask me how I'm doing etc.. I get all of that, and I do tip, don't get me wrong. Now, when I don't tip enough in bars, I heard my friend get a complaint about me because I didn't tip enough. Then, my thinking about the bartender is.. sorry.. I don't see you breaking your back, or freezing your buttcheeks, or getting rained on in here.. why should I tip you? He just poured me a drink.. where's the hard work?

I'll get called a cheap-ass..

I agree, tips are a 'bonus' and I understand that for hard work, you get tipped. You know what I would tip great for.. foot rubs while I'm eating my dinner j/k

I read in this thread that some waiters chase after the customers.. it makes me cringe..

Edit: I just read both of your posts.. I agree with you both. I think I just hate when someone is expecting a tip.. for the least amount of work possible.. then complain about it.. aka lazy bums.. phew..