hey uglychild got a question for you, mind telling me where you got your info at? the info where you drew the conclusion that japanese cars outlast ALL american cars? mind posting a link,? cause sir i beg to disagree, ive got 5 vehicles in my drivway some japanese, 1 german, and 3 american cars. an old saturn beater, (512,000 miles) damned thing refuses to die. i wish it would cause it is too ugly to sell, i digress, ive also got a 91 lincoln, which still runs great. and a 69 chevelle ( with a 383 stroker in it) absolutely loves to go fast straight, but thats about it. most of these discussions, everyones spoutin opinions. i want fact. not sales fact, but repair fact, which those making the charges are obliged to provide, for me to be taken seriously. heh if you prove me right, ill admit you win. simple as that my friends