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**kiosokkn** · 07-09-2012, 08:47 PM

you should mail one of the ifta sites and ask for a detailed answer. this would be better than asking here when there are too many people to confuse you.

I just thought I would put it here as well because this has been discussed in other threads and it has been presented as one of the fundamental beliefs of Islam, denial of which takes one out of Islam. However the conditions for its application were not discussed.

Would you agree that people who want to apply this rule without the strict conditions on others have something wrong with them psychologically? Or it creates a totalitarian culture where some people want to be lords over others?

I remember on haj, at Mina some people I know (including women and children) became trapped in the crowd under the bridges. There was much pushing and shoving the children were very close to being crushed to death and there were two big young healthy looking males who were finding it funny pushing and shoving and laughing. What type of character would find this situation funny? There was obviously something wrong with them mentally.

07-09-2012, 08:47 PM	#3
kiosokkn Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	you should mail one of the ifta sites and ask for a detailed answer. this would be better than asking here when there are too many people to confuse you. I just thought I would put it here as well because this has been discussed in other threads and it has been presented as one of the fundamental beliefs of Islam, denial of which takes one out of Islam. However the conditions for its application were not discussed. Would you agree that people who want to apply this rule without the strict conditions on others have something wrong with them psychologically? Or it creates a totalitarian culture where some people want to be lords over others? I remember on haj, at Mina some people I know (including women and children) became trapped in the crowd under the bridges. There was much pushing and shoving the children were very close to being crushed to death and there were two big young healthy looking males who were finding it funny pushing and shoving and laughing. What type of character would find this situation funny? There was obviously something wrong with them mentally.
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