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Old 07-09-2012, 09:12 PM   #6
Karensmith

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I just thought I would put it here as well because this has been discussed in other threads and it has been presented as one of the fundamental beliefs of Islam, denial of which takes one out of Islam. However the conditions for its application were not discussed.

Would you agree that people who want to apply this rule without the strict conditions on others have something wrong with them psychologically? Or it creates a totalitarian culture where some people want to be lords over others?

I remember on haj, at Mina some people I know (including women and children) became trapped in the crowd under the bridges. There was much pushing and shoving the children were very close to being crushed to death and there were two big young healthy looking males who were finding it funny pushing and shoving and laughing. What type of character would find this situation funny? There was obviously something wrong with them mentally.
there are many things who's denial or utterance causes a person to go out of the fold of Islam. one has to be firm on this.
regarding application the details are in books of fiqh and also books of contemporary scholars. that is why i said ask a good dar ul ifta u trust.

i do not think your haj example has any relevance here.
also don't mind but i think your issue with rajm's application is more emotional than academic. no offence meant.

duas requested.
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