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**Karensmith** · 07-11-2012, 03:03 AM

Brother

No I am not saying reject rajam, but at least apply the conditions for its application, and have some mercy, do not try to spy on people or catch them,

i am sorry? do you think governments put tabs on people and spies are assigned to every person so that they can be caught as soon as they commit adultery?

Allah has hidden some sins and neither the government or other Muslims are authorised to pick out and search for the sins of others.

read what i said above.

It is between them and Allah . Allah did not say that tawba is only accepted if rajam is done.

then why did the sahabi confess to the Holy Prophet (PBUH)? why did he not do tawbah? why did the woman confess to the sin? why didnt she do tawbah only?

The law of rajam is more a deterrent to stop Muslims falling into zina because the law of rajm makes it a very high price to pay.

who has stated that or is it your own opinion?
and what do you mean by 'makes it a very bigh price to pay'? do you mean the kuffar media does not like it?

Most fuqaha say that rajm does not mean that the guilty is forgiven.

quote them here.

I would even say that this is a victimless crime no one is harmed it is one of the rights of Allah that have been broken, but of course the rights of the other partner in the marriage have also been broken, so it is not strictly a victimless crime.

you just contradicted yourself.

I think riba causes zina, family problems, conflict etc. in societies. If people have money problems they will work longer, feel pressure husband and wife might become distant and soon they are looking somewhere else for affection. Riba is the root cause and a major major sin that should not be taken lightly, it is worse that zina because it affects everyone widely.

do you even know what practical steps a government has to take to eradicate riba?
do you know how much time it can take?
im not denying that riba should be top on any government's agenda but do you want governments to declare they wont stone anyone till country is free of riba?
i do not know what problem you have with rajam. but you should seek help from scholars and quit this apologist argument.
i can also one day say that a government which imposed ban on music is wrong as riba should be eradicated first. someone can say i dont like qata yad and so it should only be implemented when riba is eradicated. thats because riba is more harmful than corruption.

you have been answered over this by brother abdul wahhab. if you have anything to the contrary bring proof from fuqaha that the government should suspend huddod like rajm until they eradicta riba.

07-11-2012, 03:03 AM	#32
Karensmith Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 573 Senior Member	Brother No I am not saying reject rajam, but at least apply the conditions for its application, and have some mercy, do not try to spy on people or catch them, i am sorry? do you think governments put tabs on people and spies are assigned to every person so that they can be caught as soon as they commit adultery? Allah has hidden some sins and neither the government or other Muslims are authorised to pick out and search for the sins of others. read what i said above. It is between them and Allah . Allah did not say that tawba is only accepted if rajam is done. then why did the sahabi confess to the Holy Prophet (PBUH)? why did he not do tawbah? why did the woman confess to the sin? why didnt she do tawbah only? The law of rajam is more a deterrent to stop Muslims falling into zina because the law of rajm makes it a very high price to pay. who has stated that or is it your own opinion? and what do you mean by 'makes it a very bigh price to pay'? do you mean the kuffar media does not like it? Most fuqaha say that rajm does not mean that the guilty is forgiven. quote them here. I would even say that this is a victimless crime no one is harmed it is one of the rights of Allah that have been broken, but of course the rights of the other partner in the marriage have also been broken, so it is not strictly a victimless crime. you just contradicted yourself. I think riba causes zina, family problems, conflict etc. in societies. If people have money problems they will work longer, feel pressure husband and wife might become distant and soon they are looking somewhere else for affection. Riba is the root cause and a major major sin that should not be taken lightly, it is worse that zina because it affects everyone widely. do you even know what practical steps a government has to take to eradicate riba? do you know how much time it can take? im not denying that riba should be top on any government's agenda but do you want governments to declare they wont stone anyone till country is free of riba? i do not know what problem you have with rajam. but you should seek help from scholars and quit this apologist argument. i can also one day say that a government which imposed ban on music is wrong as riba should be eradicated first. someone can say i dont like qata yad and so it should only be implemented when riba is eradicated. thats because riba is more harmful than corruption. you have been answered over this by brother abdul wahhab. if you have anything to the contrary bring proof from fuqaha that the government should suspend huddod like rajm until they eradicta riba.
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