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**valensds** · 07-11-2012, 09:18 AM

jazakallah brother,i believe its very important that we learn the importance of words and terms especially if we are to live with our non muslim neighbours

it was also recommended in 1982 dewsbury markaz opening bayan by molana hasan ali nadwi
sadly many dont

another term is pluralism..... religious pluralism

I read the comments by shaykh Nadwi (rh).

However, I do NOT see from him any acceptance of integration or 'pluralism' as defined by the authority and power of disbelievers.
The concept of pluralism and integration is ultimately defined by how those in power define it. And those out of power must choose to either obey or disobey and make/follow their own path. Pluralism as defined by disbelieving powers doesn't only mean acceptance of apostasy, but acceptance of heretical groups such as Qadiani, Bahai, Alevi, etc. It is the intentional dissolution of 'aqidah'- tight knot of belief in the doctrine of Islam. The enemies of Allah WANT believers to voluntarily loosen our tight grip on the doctrine of Islam in order that we 'go along to get along'. Because it is that in which Satan himself cannot untie.

Shaykh Nadwi (rh) cannot be held responsible for the issues we are addressing today regarding integration. in 1982 speech, He did NOT issue a specific ruling addressing goals, objectives, methods, for Muslims in nonMuslim disbelieving countries who have increased their war on Islam.

The reality is the enemies of Allah have intensified their war on Islam. THEY are the ones pressing the matter. They have intensified their greed, their demands, their violence, their expectations from Muslims. Capitulation is NOT the answer. And Shaykh Nadwi (rh) did NOT say we should capitulate to their evil so we can live "peacefully".

[TMQ 68:8-13] Therefore obey not thou the rejecters (8)
Who would have had thee compromise, that they may compromise. (9)
Neither obey thou each feeble oath-monger, (10)
Detracter, spreader abroad of slanders, (11)
Hinderer of the good, transgressor, malefactor (12)
Greedy therewithal, intrusive. (13) As one can see, Allah

openly confronts the evil enemies, crushing them with exposing their despicable characters and conduct. One has to ask: do the leaders of Western countries fit these powerful descriptions from the Lord of the Worlds? Should we really capitulate to them- go along to get along?

07-11-2012, 09:18 AM	#34
valensds Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 387 Senior Member	jazakallah brother,i believe its very important that we learn the importance of words and terms especially if we are to live with our non muslim neighbours it was also recommended in 1982 dewsbury markaz opening bayan by molana hasan ali nadwi sadly many dont another term is pluralism..... religious pluralism I read the comments by shaykh Nadwi (rh). However, I do NOT see from him any acceptance of integration or 'pluralism' as defined by the authority and power of disbelievers. The concept of pluralism and integration is ultimately defined by how those in power define it. And those out of power must choose to either obey or disobey and make/follow their own path. Pluralism as defined by disbelieving powers doesn't only mean acceptance of apostasy, but acceptance of heretical groups such as Qadiani, Bahai, Alevi, etc. It is the intentional dissolution of 'aqidah'- tight knot of belief in the doctrine of Islam. The enemies of Allah WANT believers to voluntarily loosen our tight grip on the doctrine of Islam in order that we 'go along to get along'. Because it is that in which Satan himself cannot untie. Shaykh Nadwi (rh) cannot be held responsible for the issues we are addressing today regarding integration. in 1982 speech, He did NOT issue a specific ruling addressing goals, objectives, methods, for Muslims in nonMuslim disbelieving countries who have increased their war on Islam. The reality is the enemies of Allah have intensified their war on Islam. THEY are the ones pressing the matter. They have intensified their greed, their demands, their violence, their expectations from Muslims. Capitulation is NOT the answer. And Shaykh Nadwi (rh) did NOT say we should capitulate to their evil so we can live "peacefully". [TMQ 68:8-13] Therefore obey not thou the rejecters (8) Who would have had thee compromise, that they may compromise. (9) Neither obey thou each feeble oath-monger, (10) Detracter, spreader abroad of slanders, (11) Hinderer of the good, transgressor, malefactor (12) Greedy therewithal, intrusive. (13) As one can see, Allah openly confronts the evil enemies, crushing them with exposing their despicable characters and conduct. One has to ask: do the leaders of Western countries fit these powerful descriptions from the Lord of the Worlds? Should we really capitulate to them- go along to get along?
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