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**67Irralphaisa** · 05-27-2012, 01:16 PM

Our Prophet (saas) also communicated Islam to those who were not dressed Islamically. Speaking to non-mahram in an open place, it is not haram. It is not halwat.
If we leave models, young men and women who live un-Islamic life, how can we save them from kuffar?

so several examples that you set, such as stealing and giving sadaqah,.. these examples are not proportional to this case
inshaAllah u Teala

the examples you're giving of rasulullah (peace be upon him) are not "proportional" to what harun yahya is doing.

no one is saying advising, or talking to non-mahrams is impermissible, but there are bounds and limits to it. furthermore, many muslims, who consider themselves practicing (myself included) fail in really respecting thes elimits having said that, our mashaikh must be held to higher standards. you wouldn't trust a doctor who wasn't reliable, why would you trust a doctor of the heart if he wasn't reliable (i.e. walking the talk).

you'll also notice islam dawa that i specifically said in my post that the ends don't justify the means when the means/methods are not shariah compliant. our beloved rasulullah (saws) never compromised the shriah injunctions when doing dawa and asking people questions.

if harun yahya wants to do dawa to models allahuakbar. i would go one step fyrther and say as muslims we shud do dawa to everyone (prostitutes included), however that doesn't mean that we shud go to a brothel "rent" a prostitute for an hour, take her to a secluded room, and then proceed to tell her about the greatness of Allah....I hope you can appreciate here that just because one wants to do dawa to a particular segment of society does not mean that the individual can simply waive whatever injunctions of shariah they wish to ignore.

remember succes is from Allah, and guidance is from allah. all dai'es shud be content with remainging inside the realm of shariah. that is the best way to do dawa. by ingoring the shariah and having a TV show where the co-hosts are dressed up in such a fashion...how can one do dawa in such a way and expect the help of allah?

his show is a mockery of dawa. when it comes to dawa, the actual presentation and ettiquete always matters, the ends do not justify the means. otherwise the message you're trying to spread is not islam, rather its a weird call to worship allah, but be disobedient to him (by ignoring modesty/haya etc.).

05-27-2012, 01:16 PM	#12
67Irralphaisa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 665 Senior Member	Our Prophet (saas) also communicated Islam to those who were not dressed Islamically. Speaking to non-mahram in an open place, it is not haram. It is not halwat. If we leave models, young men and women who live un-Islamic life, how can we save them from kuffar? so several examples that you set, such as stealing and giving sadaqah,.. these examples are not proportional to this case inshaAllah u Teala the examples you're giving of rasulullah (peace be upon him) are not "proportional" to what harun yahya is doing. no one is saying advising, or talking to non-mahrams is impermissible, but there are bounds and limits to it. furthermore, many muslims, who consider themselves practicing (myself included) fail in really respecting thes elimits having said that, our mashaikh must be held to higher standards. you wouldn't trust a doctor who wasn't reliable, why would you trust a doctor of the heart if he wasn't reliable (i.e. walking the talk). you'll also notice islam dawa that i specifically said in my post that the ends don't justify the means when the means/methods are not shariah compliant. our beloved rasulullah (saws) never compromised the shriah injunctions when doing dawa and asking people questions. if harun yahya wants to do dawa to models allahuakbar. i would go one step fyrther and say as muslims we shud do dawa to everyone (prostitutes included), however that doesn't mean that we shud go to a brothel "rent" a prostitute for an hour, take her to a secluded room, and then proceed to tell her about the greatness of Allah....I hope you can appreciate here that just because one wants to do dawa to a particular segment of society does not mean that the individual can simply waive whatever injunctions of shariah they wish to ignore. remember succes is from Allah, and guidance is from allah. all dai'es shud be content with remainging inside the realm of shariah. that is the best way to do dawa. by ingoring the shariah and having a TV show where the co-hosts are dressed up in such a fashion...how can one do dawa in such a way and expect the help of allah? his show is a mockery of dawa. when it comes to dawa, the actual presentation and ettiquete always matters, the ends do not justify the means. otherwise the message you're trying to spread is not islam, rather its a weird call to worship allah, but be disobedient to him (by ignoring modesty/haya etc.).
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