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**GalasaKoll** · 07-03-2012, 08:35 AM

Br Warrior1,

So inshort you are saying that whats happening in US is not due to the results of capitalism? I agree, there is no country in the world that has true capitalism, its a utopia.
It can only be achieved without border (no need for lobbying, legislation, complete currencies convertibility, etc), which is all impossible tasks and I don't neccessary agree with a capitalist system without any compassion. Since you claim to have learned about capitalism, you must also have studied about coporate governance - developing programs to benefit the society and people at large.

Do you know why BP's logo is GREEN, when they are probably one of the worst polluters of the world? Same with any large multinational you see, its all about $$$ with no regards of where the money is coming from. You would have also studied about the bottom of pyramid, you sure know what that is correct?

Capitalism is a mirage - a lie, which the West shows to gullible developing countries to have them following like childrens in pide-pipper story.

I'm still studying a lot of things (economics, politics, etc). But i meant i've studied things which are not taught in instututions: libertarianism, marxism, corporatism, and so on. Since, these are not taughte in institutions, i dont know every nook-n-cranny, but i know the important pointers. Capitalism isnt a mirage, Democracy is. If you read what i wrote, my point was to show that Islam is much more in line with capitalism (free trade), then the West. If you look up Max Keiser, Ron Paul, or Alex Jones, then you will find that they basically are saying the same thing (that the West isnt capitalist).

Brother, what does BP's logo have to do with "capitalism"? The green-logo has more to do with marketing that capitalism. I think, like most people in general, you are stuck with labelling as opposed to meaning of said label. This is why the US can pass its system as "capitalism", and China still calls itself "Communist". When in reality they are both following the same economic system, under respective false labels.

This is why democracy is a mirage. Because the democracy assumes that the "majority" is always right. But in reality, the majority is always vulnerable to manipulation. That is why countries like USA can use the false labels of freedom and capitalism, to carry out their agenda, because majority of their own citizens support the govt's actions. Majority of foreign population want to emulate the same rule of "democracy".

Actually interest is one of the greatest enabler - a driver, of capitalism that exists today. Without interest there can be no capitalism in its current form.

Capitalism in its "current form", isnt really capitalism. Once again, as i said: look up on Max Keiser and Ron Paul.

This is why i dont debate with three groups of people on economics and governance: neocons, liberals, and muslims.
Because most people are too attached to false paradigms, that you dont want to open your mind, and see the "illusion" (as u righly said)

The kaffir doesnt want to know what is Sharia, and the neocon/muslim/liberal doesnt want to know what is REAL capitalism.
Like muslims say "if you want to learn Islam, read the scripture, not what OTHER muslims do". I ask muslims to do the same, with regards to economics.

07-03-2012, 08:35 AM	#9
GalasaKoll Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	Br Warrior1, So inshort you are saying that whats happening in US is not due to the results of capitalism? I agree, there is no country in the world that has true capitalism, its a utopia. It can only be achieved without border (no need for lobbying, legislation, complete currencies convertibility, etc), which is all impossible tasks and I don't neccessary agree with a capitalist system without any compassion. Since you claim to have learned about capitalism, you must also have studied about coporate governance - developing programs to benefit the society and people at large. Do you know why BP's logo is GREEN, when they are probably one of the worst polluters of the world? Same with any large multinational you see, its all about $$$ with no regards of where the money is coming from. You would have also studied about the bottom of pyramid, you sure know what that is correct? Capitalism is a mirage - a lie, which the West shows to gullible developing countries to have them following like childrens in pide-pipper story. I'm still studying a lot of things (economics, politics, etc). But i meant i've studied things which are not taught in instututions: libertarianism, marxism, corporatism, and so on. Since, these are not taughte in institutions, i dont know every nook-n-cranny, but i know the important pointers. Capitalism isnt a mirage, Democracy is. If you read what i wrote, my point was to show that Islam is much more in line with capitalism (free trade), then the West. If you look up Max Keiser, Ron Paul, or Alex Jones, then you will find that they basically are saying the same thing (that the West isnt capitalist). Brother, what does BP's logo have to do with "capitalism"? The green-logo has more to do with marketing that capitalism. I think, like most people in general, you are stuck with labelling as opposed to meaning of said label. This is why the US can pass its system as "capitalism", and China still calls itself "Communist". When in reality they are both following the same economic system, under respective false labels. This is why democracy is a mirage. Because the democracy assumes that the "majority" is always right. But in reality, the majority is always vulnerable to manipulation. That is why countries like USA can use the false labels of freedom and capitalism, to carry out their agenda, because majority of their own citizens support the govt's actions. Majority of foreign population want to emulate the same rule of "democracy". Actually interest is one of the greatest enabler - a driver, of capitalism that exists today. Without interest there can be no capitalism in its current form. Capitalism in its "current form", isnt really capitalism. Once again, as i said: look up on Max Keiser and Ron Paul. This is why i dont debate with three groups of people on economics and governance: neocons, liberals, and muslims. Because most people are too attached to false paradigms, that you dont want to open your mind, and see the "illusion" (as u righly said) The kaffir doesnt want to know what is Sharia, and the neocon/muslim/liberal doesnt want to know what is REAL capitalism. Like muslims say "if you want to learn Islam, read the scripture, not what OTHER muslims do". I ask muslims to do the same, with regards to economics.
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