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To Nomadic:

Sorry, I can't understand your hate towards other muslims.
Just to make something clear: I don't regard myself a "Salafi", nor did I ever do so.
And I don't like it when some people, who call themselves "Salafi", attack the 4 Madhahib, but this does not mean you can generalize like that!
And there is something that I really don't like and that is when some people attack the positions of the Hanabilah/Atharis, but they don't say "we are against this position of the Hanabilah", no they say "ohh these evil Salafis/Wahhabis, they...". Why don't these people simply say "I don't like this position of the Hanabilah/Atharis". Why??

I told you that the Hanabilah believe in Taqlid Mutlaq for the laypeople, but not in Taqlid Shakhsi and now you tell me something about the context of time and history?? Do you think you can tell the Hanabilah which positions they should have and which not??

And you are acting as if the "evil Wahhabis" have no knowledgable people among them and is if they are inventing new positions. Is someone like let's say Shaykh 'Abd al-'Aziz At-Tarifi not knowledgable?

I'll leave it at that, since you seem to have the same "black and white"-thinking regarding muslims as some wannabe-Salafis.

PS: You still didn't respond to my salam.



To StopS:

If you know so much about the situation in Germany regarding Muslims and Salafis, can you explain to me why Muslim councils in Germany distance themselves from Salafis?

Because these "muslim councils" in Germany are mainly hypocrites, who do not care about Islam, but they care about money and about pleasing their masters! And that's why they have no problem with distancing themselves from other muslims!
What have they done for the muslims in Germany until now??
Let's take an organisation like "Zentralrat der Muslime", which claims that it represents muslims, while they represent only themselves! What have they done for the muslims? Nothing!
Or let's take Ditib: What have they done for the muslims?? In their "mosques" the teach the people more secularism than Islam! But this is not surprising at all, when one knows that they're under the control of the Turkish state, which is a secular state (... what an irony! They say that religion and state has to be seperate, but at the same time the secular state says to the people what they should believe and what not!).

Why are Salafis considered violent, when all they did is knife some policemen last week or 2 weeks ago?

Why are you mixing two seperate issues? You were asking regarding the Qur`an and now you mention something completely different!
What you are saying allegedly happened on a demonstration in Bonn. Have you never heard of a demonstration escalating??

But let's mention what the demonstration was about. A group called Pro-Nrw went to several mosques and showed a caricature, which they falsely claim that it depicts our Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam).
So some muslims went to Bonn to demonstrate against these people! But the situation escalated during the demonstration.

Imagine if someone would go infront of synagogue and would insult the religion of the jews. Would Germany allow that? No! But when it comes to muslims, then it seems it's fully okay to go infront of their mosques and insult the person, whom they love more than themselves!

Why is it that Salafis denounce democracy, living in a democratic state? Why would any group require the host country to abandon their legal system and the constitution to accommodate the guests?

Maybe you dishonest person could tell us where the Salafis in Germany (for your info: Most people whom the media calls "Salafist" either only call themselves muslims or they also call themselves Salafi, but no one calls himself Salafist!) said that they want their host country to change their legal system and to implement Shari'ah instead?!?

What can a host country expect from its guest: It can expect that they don't go against the law, right? And the brothers, whom they accuse all sorts of things did not say that one should go against the law!
But can the host country expect from us muslims that we change our values? This is a matter of belief and conviction, so how can they demand such a thing?! Can they tell us what we should view as correct and what as wrong??
If anyone says that they can, then this means that he says that they can tell us that we should change our religion!

We as muslims believe that the Qur`an is the speech of the lord of the worlds and that it's better than any other speech! And the laws, which the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) implemented in Madinah, is in our conviction the best law and it's better than any man-made laws!
This is our belief. Has our host country the right to tell us that we should change this conviction and believe in their laws and values instead?? No!

The media started a big propaganda campaign against the brothers, who were distributing these free Qur`an translations.
What they also did all the time is that they mentioned things that the "evil Salafists" believe, but these things that they mentioned were things that all muslims believe!

For example they mentioned that "Salafists" believe that the Shari'ah law is better than any other law and this is something that all muslims believe! But the media also acts as if the brothers are trying to implement the Shari'ah here in the west, which of course is a lie! And the brothers whom they accuse, did not say that one should go against the law!
And they also mentioned that the "Salafists" believe that jews and christians, whom the message of Islam arrives and who do not accept it, will be in the hellfire. Again this is something that all muslims believe!
And they also mentioned that "Salafists" say that Islam is the only true religion and that all other religions are wrong. And again this is something that all muslims believe!

And they mentioned many many things, which all muslims believe.

If the media wants to tell us what we're allowed to believe and what not, then may I ask where their "freedom of opinion" and "freedom of religion" has gone??

a gross misrepresentation of the situation - but maybe you can clarify how it is that in Germany the far right runs the National Security forces and the police and National Intelligence?

Since 1994, the German Bundeswehr has lost about 100 troops in deployments abroad, out of which 53 German soldiers and 3 policemen died in Afghanistan, where they are deployed by ISAF. Yeah, Germans are a brutal and bloody nation, sending their mercenaries everywhere to kill innocent Muslims. It seems you are more into spreading primitive propaganda than answering a simple question.

What a joke!

Didn't Germany give America informations regarding which places it should bomb in Iraq? Yes, it did!
Does Germany not partipate in occupying Afghanistan? Yes, it does! What do they want from Afghanistan?
Didn't Germany - as the rest of the western countries - help the tyrant rulers in the muslim countries, so that they could oppress the people? Yes, it did!
Didn't Germany help training the Somali "security" forces, so that they can fight against muslims? Yes, it did!
Does the German media always make propaganda against Islam and muslims? Yes, it does! And I believe that they make this more than in any other western country!
And list goes on and on!

Well, it should be. I have a book, which says it is the Koran - but we have established it is not the Koran. Can - according to your understanding - the book I have, have been authored by the god you worship? That is why I am asking the experts here, Muslims, on this forum on their definitions of their basis for their religion, the Koran.

There is only one Qur`an and that's the Qur`an which was sent down on our Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and that Qur`an is in the Arabic language! So any translation is not the Qur`an itself, but a translation of it! And while the Arabic Qur`an is perfect, the translation is not perfect.

But at the same time one should mention the following: The main message of the Qur`an becomes also clear by reading a translation! A translation of the Qur`an simply helps one to understand the words of our Lord for those who do not understand Arabic.

And that's why I agree with the post of this brother:

The best option in such a situation would be for one to leave it in the local mosque. Even though it is not the Qur'an itself, any type of religious literature is to be handled in a respectful manner according to the teachings of Islam. For instance, we would even consider it unacceptable to dispose of a King James Bible by throwing it in the garbage as well, in spite of the fact that we do not agree with some of its contents.