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**pharmablogger** · 11-23-2009, 02:44 PM

What happened in Algeria with the Egyptian is an extremely awful action where Egyptian were waiting their fate of death. they saw death so many times .. subhanallah .. for what?? for a soccer game, for the world cup, they would kill for that?? that is the most worst people in the whole world.. i really need you opinion about what happened there??
salam brother and sister

Salaam alaikum

Brother, my response to you is: from where are you obtaining your news and are you verifying it through objective sources?

I am somewhat close to this story because I have friends in Algeria and I have Egyptian, Sudanes, and Kenyan friends.

The previous article touches on the underlying but underreported role of the respective governments manipulating sentiments and events to foment nationalism and support.

To understand what has happened, one should have a general understanding of Egypt's relations with other African and Arab countries. Sadly, Egypt is dominated by a secular elite that promotes its nationalism above Islam and above even basic professional ethics and sportsmanship. Hence, for years, sports teams travelling to and playing in Egypt have experienced all kinds of bad treatment from Egypt. A trustworthy Kenyan brother who played football/soccer for a Kenyan team travelled to Egypt to play several times. One time their food was poisoned, making the entire team sick. Another time the team was in a hotel which had parties above and below their teams, keeping them up all night. Eventually they and other Kenyan teams just stayed in the Kenyan embassy facilities.

Moving to the current situation.
Algeria and Egypt are in contention for World Cup qualification and only one can proceed. The two teams played in June 2009, in Blida, Algeria. The Egyptian team was given roses and treated respectfully before and after the match. However, Egypt's loss meant that Algeria was ahead of it in qualification. Both teams subsequently played other teams and Algeria had a winning record, thus the June match proved to mean that Egypt had to win by 3 points on their November 14th match if they were to proceed. Thus the lead up to the match meant that Egypt had a high hurdle to leap for it to proceed. It needed every advantage and Egyptian media and sports shows made the Algerian team out to be a serious rival that threatened Egypt's supposed rightful place as the dominant team of Africa.
November 12th the Algerian team arrived in Cairo and took its bus to the hotel, but along the way was attacked by youth throwing stones. Youtube has the videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1koF...eature=related

The bus was attacked several times, during the above footage and before since you can tell the windows are already destroyed and blown out. In the end, they ask: where's security? The bus company official would later claim that the team was not attacked, but instead did the damage themselves. However, a French documentary crew was filming as they accompanied the team and they corroborated what the Algerian team said, as if 12+ adult men's testimonies were not credible and only Europeans could validate that it actually happened.

One could speculate that some Egyptian elites wanted the Algerian team to be shaken up in order to hurt their play which would explain why the security was nonexistent and the bus was allowed to get hit more than once and the bus official would deny it happened.
According to my Egyptian friends, it is within the realm of possibilities for Egyptian elites to do this and to even inform people of the bus route to be taken ( since there are many chartered tourist buses in Egypt).

This is the scene after the attack once the bus arrived at the hotel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ann1DMk9Ik

Egypt won the match November 14, but by only 2 points. So a playoff was made in Sudan. After the November 14 match, Algerian and Arab media reported that of the 2000 visas granted Algerians visiting Cairo for the match 150 Algerians returned injured. There was also an Algerian media claim that one Algerian was killed in Cairo, but the Algerian foreign ministry denied this. But this news spread amongst the Algerian diaspora and many people felt that they would not be slighted by the Egyptians as so many others have been.

These reports and footage was highlighted throughout the Arab speaking media which includes Algeria. Many people in Algeria felt that the Egyptian team was treated well in Algiers and Blida, but the Egyptians abused the Algerians customary to the alleged Egyptian underhanded way that many see in important national dealings such as sports.

The two teams met again just a few days later November 18 in Khartoum wherein Sudanese officials welcomed both teams cordially and had 15,000 police in the city (and Omdursman across the river) to control violence. Algeria won 1-0, enabling them to proceed to the World Cup.
However, Egypt's elite apparently felt slighted. As the article mentioned, Mubarak's son claimed there was 'terror and hostility' from Algerians in Sudan- a claim the Sudanese deny- was a slur intended to associate Algerians with terrorism. It also showed that Mubarak who is close to America and was instrumental in Bush's War on Terror, intended to paint Egypt as a victim of terror and to galvanize nationalist sentiments. It should be noted that these Egyptian elite who run the country also produce porn, secular immoral media TV, music, movies and propagate this around the Arab speaking region via satellite as if they are the leader in the Arab region.
If you doubt that Egypt's ruling elite aren't fomenting and manipulating this for their own good, here's Hosni Mubarak jumping into the mix.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8372202.stm

For the Algerians, they felt vindicated in their victory, and hooligans in Algeria targetted Egyptian cellular company DJezzy, destroying shops there and also boycotting. In fact Algerians had contacted each other to boycott Djezzy before the 11/18 match in response to Egypt's mistreatment of its team and fans.
Perhaps even Algerian elite (tied to the military which runs Algeria) instructed the hooligans to attack the Egyptian company as a savoy to Egypt's elite. But Algeria criticism sees Egypt as untrustworthy and unworthy, letting Palestinians suffer right on their border and not lifting a finger, but they can attack visiting tourists (but not all tourists, they wouldnt dare touch Americans, only Arabs and Africans).

What's important is to know that there are Muslims on both sides and believers should not take nationalist sides in this matter. The solution is for the Egyptian govt to compensate the injured Algerian fans and Algeria to compensate the Djezzy company for their losses. But these rulers and their elites turn Muslims against each other for their own ends rather than reconciling conflicts. This shows that the Muslim Ummah is so weak as nation states and without a khalifah and an Islamic state that even small things like football matches can cause conflicts between people.

And Allah knows best.

11-23-2009, 02:44 PM	#7
pharmablogger Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	What happened in Algeria with the Egyptian is an extremely awful action where Egyptian were waiting their fate of death. they saw death so many times .. subhanallah .. for what?? for a soccer game, for the world cup, they would kill for that?? that is the most worst people in the whole world.. i really need you opinion about what happened there?? salam brother and sister Salaam alaikum Brother, my response to you is: from where are you obtaining your news and are you verifying it through objective sources? I am somewhat close to this story because I have friends in Algeria and I have Egyptian, Sudanes, and Kenyan friends. The previous article touches on the underlying but underreported role of the respective governments manipulating sentiments and events to foment nationalism and support. To understand what has happened, one should have a general understanding of Egypt's relations with other African and Arab countries. Sadly, Egypt is dominated by a secular elite that promotes its nationalism above Islam and above even basic professional ethics and sportsmanship. Hence, for years, sports teams travelling to and playing in Egypt have experienced all kinds of bad treatment from Egypt. A trustworthy Kenyan brother who played football/soccer for a Kenyan team travelled to Egypt to play several times. One time their food was poisoned, making the entire team sick. Another time the team was in a hotel which had parties above and below their teams, keeping them up all night. Eventually they and other Kenyan teams just stayed in the Kenyan embassy facilities. Moving to the current situation. Algeria and Egypt are in contention for World Cup qualification and only one can proceed. The two teams played in June 2009, in Blida, Algeria. The Egyptian team was given roses and treated respectfully before and after the match. However, Egypt's loss meant that Algeria was ahead of it in qualification. Both teams subsequently played other teams and Algeria had a winning record, thus the June match proved to mean that Egypt had to win by 3 points on their November 14th match if they were to proceed. Thus the lead up to the match meant that Egypt had a high hurdle to leap for it to proceed. It needed every advantage and Egyptian media and sports shows made the Algerian team out to be a serious rival that threatened Egypt's supposed rightful place as the dominant team of Africa. November 12th the Algerian team arrived in Cairo and took its bus to the hotel, but along the way was attacked by youth throwing stones. Youtube has the videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1koF...eature=related The bus was attacked several times, during the above footage and before since you can tell the windows are already destroyed and blown out. In the end, they ask: where's security? The bus company official would later claim that the team was not attacked, but instead did the damage themselves. However, a French documentary crew was filming as they accompanied the team and they corroborated what the Algerian team said, as if 12+ adult men's testimonies were not credible and only Europeans could validate that it actually happened. One could speculate that some Egyptian elites wanted the Algerian team to be shaken up in order to hurt their play which would explain why the security was nonexistent and the bus was allowed to get hit more than once and the bus official would deny it happened. According to my Egyptian friends, it is within the realm of possibilities for Egyptian elites to do this and to even inform people of the bus route to be taken ( since there are many chartered tourist buses in Egypt). This is the scene after the attack once the bus arrived at the hotel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ann1DMk9Ik Egypt won the match November 14, but by only 2 points. So a playoff was made in Sudan. After the November 14 match, Algerian and Arab media reported that of the 2000 visas granted Algerians visiting Cairo for the match 150 Algerians returned injured. There was also an Algerian media claim that one Algerian was killed in Cairo, but the Algerian foreign ministry denied this. But this news spread amongst the Algerian diaspora and many people felt that they would not be slighted by the Egyptians as so many others have been. These reports and footage was highlighted throughout the Arab speaking media which includes Algeria. Many people in Algeria felt that the Egyptian team was treated well in Algiers and Blida, but the Egyptians abused the Algerians customary to the alleged Egyptian underhanded way that many see in important national dealings such as sports. The two teams met again just a few days later November 18 in Khartoum wherein Sudanese officials welcomed both teams cordially and had 15,000 police in the city (and Omdursman across the river) to control violence. Algeria won 1-0, enabling them to proceed to the World Cup. However, Egypt's elite apparently felt slighted. As the article mentioned, Mubarak's son claimed there was 'terror and hostility' from Algerians in Sudan- a claim the Sudanese deny- was a slur intended to associate Algerians with terrorism. It also showed that Mubarak who is close to America and was instrumental in Bush's War on Terror, intended to paint Egypt as a victim of terror and to galvanize nationalist sentiments. It should be noted that these Egyptian elite who run the country also produce porn, secular immoral media TV, music, movies and propagate this around the Arab speaking region via satellite as if they are the leader in the Arab region. If you doubt that Egypt's ruling elite aren't fomenting and manipulating this for their own good, here's Hosni Mubarak jumping into the mix..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8372202.stm For the Algerians, they felt vindicated in their victory, and hooligans in Algeria targetted Egyptian cellular company DJezzy, destroying shops there and also boycotting. In fact Algerians had contacted each other to boycott Djezzy before the 11/18 match in response to Egypt's mistreatment of its team and fans. Perhaps even Algerian elite (tied to the military which runs Algeria) instructed the hooligans to attack the Egyptian company as a savoy to Egypt's elite. But Algeria criticism sees Egypt as untrustworthy and unworthy, letting Palestinians suffer right on their border and not lifting a finger, but they can attack visiting tourists (but not all tourists, they wouldnt dare touch Americans, only Arabs and Africans). What's important is to know that there are Muslims on both sides and believers should not take nationalist sides in this matter. The solution is for the Egyptian govt to compensate the injured Algerian fans and Algeria to compensate the Djezzy company for their losses. But these rulers and their elites turn Muslims against each other for their own ends rather than reconciling conflicts. This shows that the Muslim Ummah is so weak as nation states and without a khalifah and an Islamic state that even small things like football matches can cause conflicts between people. And Allah knows best.
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