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**pharmablogger** · 11-25-2009, 07:31 PM

I cant put them in the same place.. Algeria is a Muslim country, i was mistaken about that question .. but i do hate Algerian football fans .. you know they play 135 matches without fans because of what they do with their own blood .. about Egyptian.. you must come to Egypt to see how safe we are, how religious we are. at least the place i live in and others i know by heart.. ah.. putting an Algerian with an Israeli is not fair.. News is exaggeratin I am sure. cus he did not say that.. he just hate to play with them all .. i might hate someone who is Egyptian and by chance there is an Israeli in the same place.. that does not mean i put them together.
About rape in Egypt, lol.. it happens around the world, we do have crimes here in Egypt.. but you do not have crimes in yours??????????? lol lol

Brother, I will pick apart your thinking now because for the sake of Allah, its important to distinguish between reason, and nationalism.

You said "I do hate Algerian football fans". How does being a fan of Algerian football constitute a prohibited, or disgraceful group? Are you NOT simply hating due to rival identity of Algerian fans, of people who compete with and thus have defeated Egypt's team?

If by 'fan' you mean someone who commits haram actions, such as hitting people unlawfully, destroying property unlawfully, and speaking slander- then it would be correct to 'hate' those who cause fitnah, but FOR THEIR HARAM ACTIONS AND SPREADING FITNAH, NOT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE ALGERIAN FANS!!!!

Brother Gaber, you said "you must come to Egypt to see how safe we are, how religious we are. at least the place i live in and others i know by heart."

You are correct to distinguish between the entire 80+ million people of Egypt and your neighborhood. One who sides with only his nation state: is he prepared to take responsibility for all the actions of that 'nation'? Saying "my country is better" without actual objective reasoning is a form of 'asabiyah: qaumiyah- nationalism. And nationalism has no place in Islam.

Yes, there is crime everywhere. In fact the absence of the Islamic way of life and the Islamic state means that societies are plagued with illnesses which are not cured, problems that are not solved, and societal diseases which fester and grow.
One neighborhood may be superior to another by only a few believers, NOT NATIONAL IDENTITY.

The plight of Algeria has to be put on the necks of its leaders, same as the plight of Egypt. Both countries are led by secular elites who perpetuate secular concepts and capitalism.
Both countries are dominated by secular militaries.
Both ruling elite fail to rule by what Allah has revealed in its entirety, and thus rule by kufr- both regimes are kufr regimes.
That does NOT mean that one can wage war against them since the Muslim Ummah no longer has the foundation of the Islamic state and must return to the Prophet's (Saaw) model of dawah in Makka: nonviolent, political, spiritual, religious, intellectual struggle, but NOT material, physical struggle.

Neither regime fulfills the duties and obligations encumbent upon the Muslim Ummah and are therefore unworthy of ruling and leading believers.
So how can believers side with these regimes in haram actions, in promoting nationalism and division between Muslims?

11-25-2009, 07:31 PM	#17
pharmablogger Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	I cant put them in the same place.. Algeria is a Muslim country, i was mistaken about that question .. but i do hate Algerian football fans .. you know they play 135 matches without fans because of what they do with their own blood .. about Egyptian.. you must come to Egypt to see how safe we are, how religious we are. at least the place i live in and others i know by heart.. ah.. putting an Algerian with an Israeli is not fair.. News is exaggeratin I am sure. cus he did not say that.. he just hate to play with them all .. i might hate someone who is Egyptian and by chance there is an Israeli in the same place.. that does not mean i put them together. About rape in Egypt, lol.. it happens around the world, we do have crimes here in Egypt.. but you do not have crimes in yours??????????? lol lol Brother, I will pick apart your thinking now because for the sake of Allah, its important to distinguish between reason, and nationalism. You said "I do hate Algerian football fans". How does being a fan of Algerian football constitute a prohibited, or disgraceful group? Are you NOT simply hating due to rival identity of Algerian fans, of people who compete with and thus have defeated Egypt's team? If by 'fan' you mean someone who commits haram actions, such as hitting people unlawfully, destroying property unlawfully, and speaking slander- then it would be correct to 'hate' those who cause fitnah, but FOR THEIR HARAM ACTIONS AND SPREADING FITNAH, NOT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE ALGERIAN FANS!!!! Brother Gaber, you said "you must come to Egypt to see how safe we are, how religious we are. at least the place i live in and others i know by heart." You are correct to distinguish between the entire 80+ million people of Egypt and your neighborhood. One who sides with only his nation state: is he prepared to take responsibility for all the actions of that 'nation'? Saying "my country is better" without actual objective reasoning is a form of 'asabiyah: qaumiyah- nationalism. And nationalism has no place in Islam. Yes, there is crime everywhere. In fact the absence of the Islamic way of life and the Islamic state means that societies are plagued with illnesses which are not cured, problems that are not solved, and societal diseases which fester and grow. One neighborhood may be superior to another by only a few believers, NOT NATIONAL IDENTITY. The plight of Algeria has to be put on the necks of its leaders, same as the plight of Egypt. Both countries are led by secular elites who perpetuate secular concepts and capitalism. Both countries are dominated by secular militaries. Both ruling elite fail to rule by what Allah has revealed in its entirety, and thus rule by kufr- both regimes are kufr regimes. That does NOT mean that one can wage war against them since the Muslim Ummah no longer has the foundation of the Islamic state and must return to the Prophet's (Saaw) model of dawah in Makka: nonviolent, political, spiritual, religious, intellectual struggle, but NOT material, physical struggle. Neither regime fulfills the duties and obligations encumbent upon the Muslim Ummah and are therefore unworthy of ruling and leading believers. So how can believers side with these regimes in haram actions, in promoting nationalism and division between Muslims?
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