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**poulaMahmah** · 02-25-2011, 11:24 PM

15 muhaditheens have deemed Mohamad Bin Hassan Al shaibani to be Da'ef.The list included , Imam shafi ra , Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal ra , Imam Darqutni ra , Imam Yahya bin Mueen ra , Imam Nisai ra etc. How can u fight his case after the Jamhoor muhaditheen have deemed Mohamad Bin Hassan Al shaibani to be daeef?

Please prove/show where Imam al-Shafi'i specifically said Imam Muhammad is weak in hadith as you claim here. There is no doubt al-Shafi'i had methodological and fiqh disagreements with Muhammad, but show an authentic statement from him where he said Muhammad is weak in hadith. You refuse to address your previous errors or the errors of those you link to, and you refuse to address the more important question of which principles of al-jarh wa l-ta'dil you use when favouring the jarh over the ta'dil, and yet you feel comfortable with posting more lies or unverified claims.

I don't know what praise do u look for in tareekh e baghdad after this.
"Abu hanifa said that it is permissible for a person to worship a shoe to gain the Qurb of Allah"

Reported by Imam Yahya bin Hamza,Imam saeed Bin Abdul Aziz with authentic chain( tareekh e baghdad volume 13 page 374)

Not everything transmitted by an authentic chain contains a reliable matn. In this case, there is no doubt the matn contradicts the established views of Imam Abu Hanifah on tawhid as transmitted in his own works on 'aqidah and by the commentators of his 'aqidah like al-Tahawi and al-Maturidi. Hence, this matn is munkar. Dr. Bashshar 'Awwad Ma'ruf says in his newer edition of Tarikh Baghdad in the footnote to this narration "Its chain is authentic but this statement cannot possibly issue from a layperson, let alone from Abu Hanifah. Moreover, Ya'qub ibn Sufyan al-Fasawi [one of the narrators in the chain] frequently narrates such [rejected] reports and narrations." (Tarikh Baghdad 15:509)

02-25-2011, 11:24 PM	#33
poulaMahmah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	15 muhaditheens have deemed Mohamad Bin Hassan Al shaibani to be Da'ef.The list included , Imam shafi ra , Imam Ahmed Ibn Hanbal ra , Imam Darqutni ra , Imam Yahya bin Mueen ra , Imam Nisai ra etc. How can u fight his case after the Jamhoor muhaditheen have deemed Mohamad Bin Hassan Al shaibani to be daeef? Please prove/show where Imam al-Shafi'i specifically said Imam Muhammad is weak in hadith as you claim here. There is no doubt al-Shafi'i had methodological and fiqh disagreements with Muhammad, but show an authentic statement from him where he said Muhammad is weak in hadith. You refuse to address your previous errors or the errors of those you link to, and you refuse to address the more important question of which principles of al-jarh wa l-ta'dil you use when favouring the jarh over the ta'dil, and yet you feel comfortable with posting more lies or unverified claims. I don't know what praise do u look for in tareekh e baghdad after this. "Abu hanifa said that it is permissible for a person to worship a shoe to gain the Qurb of Allah" Reported by Imam Yahya bin Hamza,Imam saeed Bin Abdul Aziz with authentic chain( tareekh e baghdad volume 13 page 374) Not everything transmitted by an authentic chain contains a reliable matn. In this case, there is no doubt the matn contradicts the established views of Imam Abu Hanifah on tawhid as transmitted in his own works on 'aqidah and by the commentators of his 'aqidah like al-Tahawi and al-Maturidi. Hence, this matn is munkar. Dr. Bashshar 'Awwad Ma'ruf says in his newer edition of Tarikh Baghdad in the footnote to this narration "Its chain is authentic but this statement cannot possibly issue from a layperson, let alone from Abu Hanifah. Moreover, Ya'qub ibn Sufyan al-Fasawi [one of the narrators in the chain] frequently narrates such [rejected] reports and narrations." (Tarikh Baghdad 15:509)
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