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**avavavava** · 06-23-2012, 04:38 PM

It is easy to criticize the Muslim Brotherhood for their Democratic and gradualist approach, but do you really think that their long term goal is anything other than to unite the Muslim countries and rule according to Islam?

It is easy to say they are doing it wrong they need to do it like...., but what are we doing ourselves when we say that? We have to be careful that we don't go to dreamland and develop unrealistic flights of fancy that cause problems and hurt a lot of people.

A few years ago (apparently like many other UK Muslims) I spent some time studying with HT and basically they were very critical of a gradualist approach and considered voting un-Islamic, but what have all their efforts come to? a lot of speeches, marches, classes, leaflets, a lot of calling for Khilafa, a lot of suffering of HT members in certain countries and what else?

At least those promoting a gradualist approach are achieving something, it may be two steps forwards one step back, but it is still going forwards. Islam was a fading thing in some Arab lands some decades ago, now it is thriving and the influence of the Muslims upon society is growing. Muslim Brotherhood has been a big part of this revival in many lands.

Brother, I think I understand your previous post about Rand corp now.

I don't want to be confrontational with you, as you seem to want to defend the MB.
I am criticizing their 'approach', their methodology.

It is NOT consistent with the Sunnah of the Prophet (saaw) or the Dawah of the Prophets (as).
Nor is it reasonable in its consideration of the political history and political reality of the enemies of Islam.

As we only have this moment in time to serve Allah and establish HIS DEEN, and instability in various regimes like Egypt is a momentary event, it is MOST important for Muslims to: be aware of our political history, our political situation, know what the Shariah says about 'democracy', gradualism, adhering to Taghut rules and obeying Taghut power, etc. It is possible the Muslim Ummah can act effectively.

As for measuring what is achieved by an Islamic party, it is important to know what that party calls for- what is its mission and long term objectives, how they expect to accomplish them, and whether these are consistent with Islam.

As far as I know, HT's long term objectives of a khilafah are definitely consistent with Islam. And as they have NOT espoused democracy, or obeying Taghut, these too are consistent with Islam. I don't know about their achievements, obviously the khilafah has yet to be established, but then there are a lot of people against the khilafah.

It is my concern that PUTTING TRUST AND FAITH IN DEMOCRACY MISGUIDES MUSLIMS AND DISTRACTS THEM FROM ESTABLISHING ISLAM, THE ISLAMIC STATE, AND THE KHILAFAH.

Abdul1234, do you agree with this concern? If not, what is wrong with it?

06-23-2012, 04:38 PM	#17
avavavava Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 531 Senior Member	It is easy to criticize the Muslim Brotherhood for their Democratic and gradualist approach, but do you really think that their long term goal is anything other than to unite the Muslim countries and rule according to Islam? It is easy to say they are doing it wrong they need to do it like...., but what are we doing ourselves when we say that? We have to be careful that we don't go to dreamland and develop unrealistic flights of fancy that cause problems and hurt a lot of people. A few years ago (apparently like many other UK Muslims) I spent some time studying with HT and basically they were very critical of a gradualist approach and considered voting un-Islamic, but what have all their efforts come to? a lot of speeches, marches, classes, leaflets, a lot of calling for Khilafa, a lot of suffering of HT members in certain countries and what else? At least those promoting a gradualist approach are achieving something, it may be two steps forwards one step back, but it is still going forwards. Islam was a fading thing in some Arab lands some decades ago, now it is thriving and the influence of the Muslims upon society is growing. Muslim Brotherhood has been a big part of this revival in many lands. Brother, I think I understand your previous post about Rand corp now. I don't want to be confrontational with you, as you seem to want to defend the MB. I am criticizing their 'approach', their methodology. It is NOT consistent with the Sunnah of the Prophet (saaw) or the Dawah of the Prophets (as). Nor is it reasonable in its consideration of the political history and political reality of the enemies of Islam. As we only have this moment in time to serve Allah and establish HIS DEEN, and instability in various regimes like Egypt is a momentary event, it is MOST important for Muslims to: be aware of our political history, our political situation, know what the Shariah says about 'democracy', gradualism, adhering to Taghut rules and obeying Taghut power, etc. It is possible the Muslim Ummah can act effectively. As for measuring what is achieved by an Islamic party, it is important to know what that party calls for- what is its mission and long term objectives, how they expect to accomplish them, and whether these are consistent with Islam. As far as I know, HT's long term objectives of a khilafah are definitely consistent with Islam. And as they have NOT espoused democracy, or obeying Taghut, these too are consistent with Islam. I don't know about their achievements, obviously the khilafah has yet to be established, but then there are a lot of people against the khilafah. It is my concern that PUTTING TRUST AND FAITH IN DEMOCRACY MISGUIDES MUSLIMS AND DISTRACTS THEM FROM ESTABLISHING ISLAM, THE ISLAMIC STATE, AND THE KHILAFAH. Abdul1234, do you agree with this concern? If not, what is wrong with it?
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