[johnteriz]

Let me firstly clarity that I'm not a "wahhabi" but I don't have any sympathy for pseudo-"traditional" scholars stooges of the tawagheet.

Yea but dont presume everyone other than you and the ones you support are stooges of the tawgheet. There are plenty of scholars who chose to take a role of advising the ruler and reforming that way while there are others who took a role of boycotting the ruler. Throwing the word "tawgheet" randomly as ad hominem is not the way.

Who's saying that? Its implied by the jihad declared against Muslims. Dar al Islam turned into dar al harb.

The point is that Shari'ah has to be implemented, if ""islamic scholars" don't act in this direction and prefer to live in the shade of tawaghit governements applying kafir systems of law, it's their fault, not that of other groups taking initiative.
And we don't need scholars to judge when something is apparent, i.e. system of kufr being applied instead of Shari'ah. Shariah is implemented by those have power and authority tto implement it. Mind you shariah being discussed here is the only narrow part of its implementation at a state level. Such implementation would be responsibility when a guy does have tthe necessary power and conditions to implement it fully. A person is not held responsible for what is not within his power. Moreover, not implementing does not make it kufr just as not fasting in the month of ramadan does not make u a kafir. Learn the difference between a sinner and a kafir, something with early khawarij were mislead. How much more mislead would then be the khawarij of the present era ?

Secondly, bidah is bidah. Khawarij are the dogs of hell fire. If you want to be among them then so be it. You wouldnt mind shia ayatollahs also applying their own self styled "shariah" upon you since you hide your fascination for the people of bidah by using the "Sunni traditionalists are inactive" argument.

The "apparent" kufr you talk off is yet somehow only getting noticed by a small group of young kids with no proper Islamic education. Surprising indeed.

This rethoric on "traditional Islam with 'ijazah" doesn't absolve anyone from his duties. But it does give authority to declare whether there is such a duty or not in the first place. Just because some random guy one day woke up and thought everyone is a kafir doesn't mean i go and join him in a jihad against everyone. Reminds of Jamate Islami one day declaring everyeone part of democracy as mushriks and the next day they themselves have their own democratic party. Same goes for your heroic salafis in Egypt. And the gullible still think they are a credible force.

The prophet talked about different types of rulers ruling Muslims which includes the arival of tyrants. But according to your analysis the hadith somehow forget to mention that there would be this era of "tawgheet kafirs" being rulers of muslims.


Applying Shari'ah is fard.
Why hasn't this "people who have their historical tradition of islam handed down to them through a chain of authorities" made any effort in this regard leaving the job to salafis? Tearing a bunch of non hijabi girls poster and beating women and making them wear a certain type of clothing does not make it the all and all of shariah. It just a outward farce.

The present state is a result of past events and conditions. Each place has their own conditions and righteous ulemas have their own halal methodology of bringing things back on track. A bunch of foreign nobody's with guns have no authority whatsoever. They should be killed like the khawarij are killed when they decleared their jihad against Muslims.

And after that, even worse, countered their efforts on the ground of hizbiyyah, instead of joining their forces or even better, sobstituiting to them and run proper "wise traditional bla bla" Shari'ah instead of leaving it to them and staying safe under the shade of kuffar tyrants? Join the khawarij to hell fire? No thank you. It is dajjal that will emerge from their ranks as the prophet foretold.

Lets up the stake against these khawarij claiming to be working for Islam. Let them bring all the ahlus sunnah ulemas of Mali following the regional madhab i.e Maliki and representing the large segment of the community of Muslims and give them as a council of ulema the full power to make Islamic rulings for the state, without any interference in the rulings and promising they will abide by it. Ill change my mind then.