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**drgshmcm** · 06-28-2012, 04:43 AM

So called grave worship was the biggie...the idea that people were asking from the dead or tawwasul, to the followers of Muhammad Wahab this made them mushriks and therefore they could be killed and their wealth and property taken, and their women and children enslaved.

Ask them even now, if I am trapped or hurt and I call out to someone alive to help me is it shirk? No

Ask them, if I call out to someone dead is it shirk? Yes

Why?

Because the dead are non existent and if you call them you are doing shirk by giving them Divine Powers.

How about if Allah makes the dead to hear and able to plead 'intercede' with Allah? No still shirk. Why? because we say so.

Bida is anything new that Muslims do which has not textual authority. The followers of Muhammad Wahab like texts and believe only the written texts have authority...no spiritual knowledge is passed on from human heart to human heart. They have a stange belief that dead people are non existent, the ruhani world is not immediate or present for them, it is in a sealed off existence somewhere where we have no access to it. In the salah we send durud on the Rasul

so I assume they somehow believe that this reaches him

?

06-28-2012, 04:43 AM	#15
drgshmcm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 403 Senior Member	So called grave worship was the biggie...the idea that people were asking from the dead or tawwasul, to the followers of Muhammad Wahab this made them mushriks and therefore they could be killed and their wealth and property taken, and their women and children enslaved. Ask them even now, if I am trapped or hurt and I call out to someone alive to help me is it shirk? No Ask them, if I call out to someone dead is it shirk? Yes Why? Because the dead are non existent and if you call them you are doing shirk by giving them Divine Powers. How about if Allah makes the dead to hear and able to plead 'intercede' with Allah? No still shirk. Why? because we say so. Bida is anything new that Muslims do which has not textual authority. The followers of Muhammad Wahab like texts and believe only the written texts have authority...no spiritual knowledge is passed on from human heart to human heart. They have a stange belief that dead people are non existent, the ruhani world is not immediate or present for them, it is in a sealed off existence somewhere where we have no access to it. In the salah we send durud on the Rasul so I assume they somehow believe that this reaches him ?
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