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**evammaUselp** · 06-27-2012, 04:53 AM

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if saudi arabia tried to totally isolate itself form the rest of the world economy then
1) they would get invaded and
2) they would ecomically collapse, and
3) the riba economy will still survive without saudi arabia.
So you cant pin the worlds ill on saudi.
And ikhwan and saudi are the best we have at the moment.
Do you criticise turkey also?
What about tunisia?
What about yourself?
Do you pay tax?
Do you own a bank account?
Do you purchase from shops which are part of the economy?
So arent you also supporting this system?

You cant compare Turkey and Saudia Arabia - Saudia uses foreigner's for all there scientific and technological missions. They import military equipment and weapons. They have black gold which funds everything including the research. Even then I had a reference previously that the entire Arab World including Saudia combined produces less scientific literature than spain alone. But Saudia, Allah having given them the blessing of the most valuable material item - oil and they still have not shown us anything that would strike us with awe. Why? Because the ideology pervading there needs to change. The advances of the turkish are organic, not funded by petrol. A pure hardworking economy like america. Manufacturing economy, IT, communications e.t.c. They dont sit on cozy cushions and eat dates. They have worked their ass of the last century. SAudi has its good side also - they are charitable country and they organize the hajj pretty well i was told.

But the Islamic ideology pervading there is not the best. I argue against people who say SAudia has the best Islamic system in the world. No wrong. GEnuine Islam is self-practiced ISlam. Only if you have freedom to disbelieve that your belief will be genuine. If you get fed from day 1 to your death about how to behave and forced to do that then thats not genuine practice. I think Turkish Muslims are better than saudi muslims because the best Muslims there have emerged out of pure analysis, reason and consience. Thats why you get the group of Harun Yahya. A real model group of modern Muslims in my opinion. Further example would be Bediuzzaman SAid Nursi. We dont have saudi equivalents of Harun Yahya or Bediuzzaman. Intellectuals with deep piety.

06-27-2012, 04:53 AM	#31
evammaUselp Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	[QUOTE=AbuFatimah;783316] if saudi arabia tried to totally isolate itself form the rest of the world economy then 1) they would get invaded and 2) they would ecomically collapse, and 3) the riba economy will still survive without saudi arabia. So you cant pin the worlds ill on saudi. And ikhwan and saudi are the best we have at the moment. Do you criticise turkey also? What about tunisia? What about yourself? Do you pay tax? Do you own a bank account? Do you purchase from shops which are part of the economy? So arent you also supporting this system? You cant compare Turkey and Saudia Arabia - Saudia uses foreigner's for all there scientific and technological missions. They import military equipment and weapons. They have black gold which funds everything including the research. Even then I had a reference previously that the entire Arab World including Saudia combined produces less scientific literature than spain alone. But Saudia, Allah having given them the blessing of the most valuable material item - oil and they still have not shown us anything that would strike us with awe. Why? Because the ideology pervading there needs to change. The advances of the turkish are organic, not funded by petrol. A pure hardworking economy like america. Manufacturing economy, IT, communications e.t.c. They dont sit on cozy cushions and eat dates. They have worked their ass of the last century. SAudi has its good side also - they are charitable country and they organize the hajj pretty well i was told. But the Islamic ideology pervading there is not the best. I argue against people who say SAudia has the best Islamic system in the world. No wrong. GEnuine Islam is self-practiced ISlam. Only if you have freedom to disbelieve that your belief will be genuine. If you get fed from day 1 to your death about how to behave and forced to do that then thats not genuine practice. I think Turkish Muslims are better than saudi muslims because the best Muslims there have emerged out of pure analysis, reason and consience. Thats why you get the group of Harun Yahya. A real model group of modern Muslims in my opinion. Further example would be Bediuzzaman SAid Nursi. We dont have saudi equivalents of Harun Yahya or Bediuzzaman. Intellectuals with deep piety.
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