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**Xcqjwarl** · 06-27-2012, 11:39 AM

The basic problem with our Ummah is that they are still not sure whether learning science, math etc are benefical or not? Whenever we have any discussion about learning science and math, we have some people up in arms about how detached these educated folks get from Allah (swt) - IMO this is indeed a very flawed conclusion. Most of these educated people are detached because they have no deeni foundation, and our Ulemas have not tried to bring these two streams together. What every Madrassah should have are two streams (specialization), one stream should only focus on deeni education, while the other stream let those who want to explore science etc to get that education along with deeni-lite education.

We have to stop looking down at science, math, geography etc (note I did not use secular keyword as it brings severe response from some folks) and must try and provide every Muslim kids with such education. There are a lot of places in Quran Shareef where Allah (swt) talked about scientific things such as where Allah (swt) mentions about the expanding of universe, or iron, etc, how are we going to understand completely when we have no foundation about the subject? Why did Allah (swt) created Aqal - just to acquire deeni knowledge or to acquire other knowledge as well so that we can serve its creation better?

To understand some of the peoples perspective better I want to ask a question here - whether Allah (swt) created us to just have deeni taleem and he place science, math, geography, etc as a distraction and test (though even deeni knowldge can be a source of test)?

True brother. If by Ummah one means the collective body of Muslims then they have accepted the secular education. Almost every rich and poor is sending his kids to the school and not getting the kids educated has become a social stigma. These are only the circles of our Madrassahs in which secular education is still an alien and there is a general unacceptability of it there. Secular education is taken as a threat.

Science inflames a sense of religiosity with in a person i think. I think it was Neils Bohar who said "All my efforts to look out in the universe are nothing more than to look for who is looking at us". Secondly , We Muslims are better candidates for scientific inventions as we have been commanded to serve the humanity. There is Thawab associated with it for us so who else should care for science more than us? It can be asserted without any exaggeration that the foundation stones of the natural sciences were laid by the Muslims. Unfortunately we have left the post vacant for others and they are using science as a weapon against Islam and Muslims.

06-27-2012, 11:39 AM	#15
Xcqjwarl Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	The basic problem with our Ummah is that they are still not sure whether learning science, math etc are benefical or not? Whenever we have any discussion about learning science and math, we have some people up in arms about how detached these educated folks get from Allah (swt) - IMO this is indeed a very flawed conclusion. Most of these educated people are detached because they have no deeni foundation, and our Ulemas have not tried to bring these two streams together. What every Madrassah should have are two streams (specialization), one stream should only focus on deeni education, while the other stream let those who want to explore science etc to get that education along with deeni-lite education. We have to stop looking down at science, math, geography etc (note I did not use secular keyword as it brings severe response from some folks) and must try and provide every Muslim kids with such education. There are a lot of places in Quran Shareef where Allah (swt) talked about scientific things such as where Allah (swt) mentions about the expanding of universe, or iron, etc, how are we going to understand completely when we have no foundation about the subject? Why did Allah (swt) created Aqal - just to acquire deeni knowledge or to acquire other knowledge as well so that we can serve its creation better? To understand some of the peoples perspective better I want to ask a question here - whether Allah (swt) created us to just have deeni taleem and he place science, math, geography, etc as a distraction and test (though even deeni knowldge can be a source of test)? True brother. If by Ummah one means the collective body of Muslims then they have accepted the secular education. Almost every rich and poor is sending his kids to the school and not getting the kids educated has become a social stigma. These are only the circles of our Madrassahs in which secular education is still an alien and there is a general unacceptability of it there. Secular education is taken as a threat. Science inflames a sense of religiosity with in a person i think. I think it was Neils Bohar who said "All my efforts to look out in the universe are nothing more than to look for who is looking at us". Secondly , We Muslims are better candidates for scientific inventions as we have been commanded to serve the humanity. There is Thawab associated with it for us so who else should care for science more than us? It can be asserted without any exaggeration that the foundation stones of the natural sciences were laid by the Muslims. Unfortunately we have left the post vacant for others and they are using science as a weapon against Islam and Muslims.
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