I understand your point Ahmed. No you can not catch me on this count that you are mentioning - for others I can not speak. I do not blame the Deen establishment for travels of Ummah. I fact my inclination is the opposite though I would not like this thread to go in that direction. I talk about two streams - religious and secular education. Aim of the former was to protect Islam from oblivion and to cater to the religious requirements of Muslims. They have succeeded. Object of the secular education movement was to cater to the worldly needs of Muslims. They have survived themselves, sorry I happen to fall in that Jumrah, but they have not achieved their goal to any level of success. But this thread is not about that aspect. This thread is about wholesome education for Muslim kids. So how the two streams of education be integrated so that a child does not feel deprived either way after going through it?