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**Zebrabitch** · 04-05-2012, 10:31 PM

@brother warea - Provide the basis then.

Give evidence from the Fuqahaa and the Sahaabah where they considered the necessity for such sporting facilities for women. The hadith of the Ethiopians has been misinterpreted to death. If you are correct in your statement please provide for me one statement from the Aimmah, muhadditheen and the commentators who have inferred that sporting facilities for women are allowed from this hadith.

The onus of the proof is on the claimant. If you are unable to provide one such statement then please retract your statement.

you say that my quote in itself is the basis. Basis for what? Sporting facilities for women???? Or only allowing certain forms of 'entertainment' for men??

Following the sahaabah is a command of Rasulullah and the Qur'aan in the verse I quoted. They are our role models.

Please expound further instead of making general statements.

May Allah forgive us.

No one talked about "neccessity". Its about permissibility. The hadiths are enough evidence. I can't help your literalist appraoch of expecting a statement "women are allowed to play so and so in so and so place at sso and so time". No proofs are obtained tht way. A general eevidence is enough and it is onus upon you to come and provide evidence for your prohibitions. No one gave you the right to declare something haraam, as far as i know. And even in the principle of bidah, everyone across the sectarian board admits that in matters not related to worship, everything is permissible until proven forbidden. If there is any onus existing its about you for your holier than thou appraoch expecting all Muslims to be ascetic saints and for declaring things as haram by your personal desire.

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Zebrabitch Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 634 Senior Member	@brother warea - Provide the basis then. Give evidence from the Fuqahaa and the Sahaabah where they considered the necessity for such sporting facilities for women. The hadith of the Ethiopians has been misinterpreted to death. If you are correct in your statement please provide for me one statement from the Aimmah, muhadditheen and the commentators who have inferred that sporting facilities for women are allowed from this hadith. The onus of the proof is on the claimant. If you are unable to provide one such statement then please retract your statement. you say that my quote in itself is the basis. Basis for what? Sporting facilities for women???? Or only allowing certain forms of 'entertainment' for men?? Following the sahaabah is a command of Rasulullah and the Qur'aan in the verse I quoted. They are our role models. Please expound further instead of making general statements. May Allah forgive us. No one talked about "neccessity". Its about permissibility. The hadiths are enough evidence. I can't help your literalist appraoch of expecting a statement "women are allowed to play so and so in so and so place at sso and so time". No proofs are obtained tht way. A general eevidence is enough and it is onus upon you to come and provide evidence for your prohibitions. No one gave you the right to declare something haraam, as far as i know. And even in the principle of bidah, everyone across the sectarian board admits that in matters not related to worship, everything is permissible until proven forbidden. If there is any onus existing its about you for your holier than thou appraoch expecting all Muslims to be ascetic saints and for declaring things as haram by your personal desire.
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