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**Zebrabitch** · 04-06-2012, 01:41 AM

What evidence do the hadiths suggest? Which hadith is to be used as evidence for women participating in sporting events? Please provide your evidence.

Already mentioned them enough. I can't repeat myself. Ill add one more to that, the prophet peace be upon him on a journey with his wife Aisha (rad.) played running race with her in a joking manner.

And as mentioned, the absence of evidence does not anyway prove your point. The default is permissible.

Moreover, out of curiosity, do you think a garden is prohibited in islam? Are parks for relaxtion prohibited in islam? Is a beach prohibited in islam?

On the contrary the hadiths are replete and the kutub of the fuqaha are replete with evidence stating that a lady is an object of concealment. Even her voice is awrah! Never mind competing in sporting events. You should read what i wrote previously. No where did I argue against hijab. The point is on providing alternate halal sports, which obviously implies that the hijab rules would be followed.

I am again requesting you to provide evidence from the sources of the Shariah to state that women are allowed to participate in sporting events? There were major sporting events held by the kuffaar and were these adopted by the Muslims? The Romans and the Persians would hold regular entertainment? Were any forms of these entertainments adopted by the Sahaabah or the Fuqaha?? The burden of evidence falls upon you. And the proofs existing of horse racing being permitted is enough evidence as horse racing is a major game of arab culture. No need to search proofs else where when proofs from arab culture itself is existant. Your complete taboo mindset is what requires proof.

You need to provide evidence that gives permissiblity for the khurooj of women to attend sporting events? Is attending a sporting event a necessity in the Shariah as you must be aware that the Shariah has limited women's khurooj to dire necessity. You must also be aware of the conditions for women's khurooj even if it is due to dire necessity. Please read the fiqh kutub for a more thorough understanding instead of providing baatil justification.

No one talks about necessity here. Its about permissibility. The restriction of "dire necessity" has its own reasons behind it. When that reason fails then it does not apply. For example the argument of "blocking the means to fitna" would not apply when such possibility of fitna does not exist or rare. That's why I said is today's time the Islamic government should provide halals venues for women where they can socialise, relax, exercise, compete and whatever from the beauties of halal living. If you find this objectionable, then you should even object to a women going to her parents's house except for dire neccessity whatever you understand by it.

And since you have mentioned about the strictness you have in following the prophet

and salaf, I ask you,why dont you survive your day with eating barely a date, as the prophet

did ? Why dont you live in houses as poor as the prophet

did ? Why don't you sleep on a bed made of straw leaves ?

04-06-2012, 01:41 AM	#32
Zebrabitch Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 634 Senior Member	What evidence do the hadiths suggest? Which hadith is to be used as evidence for women participating in sporting events? Please provide your evidence. Already mentioned them enough. I can't repeat myself. Ill add one more to that, the prophet peace be upon him on a journey with his wife Aisha (rad.) played running race with her in a joking manner. And as mentioned, the absence of evidence does not anyway prove your point. The default is permissible. Moreover, out of curiosity, do you think a garden is prohibited in islam? Are parks for relaxtion prohibited in islam? Is a beach prohibited in islam? On the contrary the hadiths are replete and the kutub of the fuqaha are replete with evidence stating that a lady is an object of concealment. Even her voice is awrah! Never mind competing in sporting events. You should read what i wrote previously. No where did I argue against hijab. The point is on providing alternate halal sports, which obviously implies that the hijab rules would be followed. I am again requesting you to provide evidence from the sources of the Shariah to state that women are allowed to participate in sporting events? There were major sporting events held by the kuffaar and were these adopted by the Muslims? The Romans and the Persians would hold regular entertainment? Were any forms of these entertainments adopted by the Sahaabah or the Fuqaha?? The burden of evidence falls upon you. And the proofs existing of horse racing being permitted is enough evidence as horse racing is a major game of arab culture. No need to search proofs else where when proofs from arab culture itself is existant. Your complete taboo mindset is what requires proof. You need to provide evidence that gives permissiblity for the khurooj of women to attend sporting events? Is attending a sporting event a necessity in the Shariah as you must be aware that the Shariah has limited women's khurooj to dire necessity. You must also be aware of the conditions for women's khurooj even if it is due to dire necessity. Please read the fiqh kutub for a more thorough understanding instead of providing baatil justification. No one talks about necessity here. Its about permissibility. The restriction of "dire necessity" has its own reasons behind it. When that reason fails then it does not apply. For example the argument of "blocking the means to fitna" would not apply when such possibility of fitna does not exist or rare. That's why I said is today's time the Islamic government should provide halals venues for women where they can socialise, relax, exercise, compete and whatever from the beauties of halal living. If you find this objectionable, then you should even object to a women going to her parents's house except for dire neccessity whatever you understand by it. And since you have mentioned about the strictness you have in following the prophet and salaf, I ask you,why dont you survive your day with eating barely a date, as the prophet did ? Why dont you live in houses as poor as the prophet did ? Why don't you sleep on a bed made of straw leaves ?
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