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**JonatonM** · 05-09-2012, 04:27 AM

Does this really hold true if you take an African and give him all the opportunities that your average white man would? And if the opposite were to happen, and you took a white and put him in an African environment, or gave him the opportunities that were available to an African American? Would you expect his IQ to still be 100? For some reason I don't think this will remain true..

I did give you the example of african americans, with their 85 IQ. It seems to be the case that they just aren't that good at math, or inventing stuff, nor do they have an interest in how things operate which is part of philosophy and science.

Nothing wrong with this, nor does this make them inferior. They are just as capable of becoming a waliullah. Only if you subscribe to the western mindset that only measures superiority on ability to make money by 'manipulating matter', as in industry, which requires mathematical ability, financial shrewdness and inventiveness. It's only in a society that values these kind of things that such people would feel inferior. So the problem lies with society, for not emphasising things like spirituality which everyone is capable of, and overemphasising things like mathematics which not everyone is capable of.

05-09-2012, 04:27 AM	#21
JonatonM Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	Does this really hold true if you take an African and give him all the opportunities that your average white man would? And if the opposite were to happen, and you took a white and put him in an African environment, or gave him the opportunities that were available to an African American? Would you expect his IQ to still be 100? For some reason I don't think this will remain true.. I did give you the example of african americans, with their 85 IQ. It seems to be the case that they just aren't that good at math, or inventing stuff, nor do they have an interest in how things operate which is part of philosophy and science. Nothing wrong with this, nor does this make them inferior. They are just as capable of becoming a waliullah. Only if you subscribe to the western mindset that only measures superiority on ability to make money by 'manipulating matter', as in industry, which requires mathematical ability, financial shrewdness and inventiveness. It's only in a society that values these kind of things that such people would feel inferior. So the problem lies with society, for not emphasising things like spirituality which everyone is capable of, and overemphasising things like mathematics which not everyone is capable of.
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