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**Attarderb** · 07-01-2010, 04:21 PM

thank you for the clarification. Anyway the makki/madni zamana. Muslims being weak etc. I have thought about these issues for a long time...I have my own views. If the muslims of afghanistan in the 1980s had thought like that. We are weak. The makki zamana scenario etc etc then right now forget afghanistan, pakistanis would be speaking russian.

Your views are rejected. Are you a faqeeh or a muhaqqiq?
The words of Mawlana Thanwi take great precedence over yours and he was not a pacifist.

I will try and post the whole dialogue in urdu for you.
The questioner kept trying to say, so should we not do anything...SHould we allow the kuffar to walk all over us?

And he said basically we follow the nusoos.We don't follow our opinions.

You've probably been spending too much time with the Azzam type salafis.
If we followed the Makki/Madani model , whatever the dunyawi consequences, we would be following the Sunnah and rejoicing probably with eventual victory in this world and Firdaws in the next
They have neither Fiqh nor Tasawuf.Neither knowledge of deen nor dunya. Just Jazbaat

Khayr if you want to follow Jazbaat over the words of the Fuqaha, then Ahlan wa Sahlan.
Ma asalama

07-01-2010, 04:21 PM	#39
Attarderb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	thank you for the clarification. Anyway the makki/madni zamana. Muslims being weak etc. I have thought about these issues for a long time...I have my own views. If the muslims of afghanistan in the 1980s had thought like that. We are weak. The makki zamana scenario etc etc then right now forget afghanistan, pakistanis would be speaking russian. Your views are rejected. Are you a faqeeh or a muhaqqiq? The words of Mawlana Thanwi take great precedence over yours and he was not a pacifist. I will try and post the whole dialogue in urdu for you. The questioner kept trying to say, so should we not do anything...SHould we allow the kuffar to walk all over us? And he said basically we follow the nusoos.We don't follow our opinions. You've probably been spending too much time with the Azzam type salafis. If we followed the Makki/Madani model , whatever the dunyawi consequences, we would be following the Sunnah and rejoicing probably with eventual victory in this world and Firdaws in the next They have neither Fiqh nor Tasawuf.Neither knowledge of deen nor dunya. Just Jazbaat Khayr if you want to follow Jazbaat over the words of the Fuqaha, then Ahlan wa Sahlan. Ma asalama
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