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**wizardasa** · 10-06-2009, 03:30 PM

Plenty of scholars of old used similar expressions:

And from a famous Maliki scholar, Ibn 'Abdil-Barr (rahimahuLlah):

Except shaykh ibn Abdul Barr (rhm) passed in 463 AH. The era has everything to do with the matter. It used to be that a Muslim who wore the clothes or suit identified as Western was a fasiq and possibly treasonous. Today, its normal for an alim to have a Western suit and tie in his closet.

The fatawa also used to say the worshipper who didnt cover his head was in ithm and his salah was deficient. Now the ithm has been lifted by many ulama.

Today, gays are usually completely shaven as are most Western men.

But to really address the Muslim world, the believers have to confront the Western culture and the ideas which promote it. If you can't speak against the impact of secular media in the Muslim world, such as Iraq, which include the secular fahsha and **** from Egypt and Lebanon (the Gomorrah to Egypt's Sodom), and take the government's to task for allowing this filth and misguidance, then you are not really addressing the issue.

A country like Morocco has been forced to accept gay tourism market from the West because its too poor to sustain an economy without it. Hence, gays visiting Morocco arrogantly claim a right to be gay in Maghreb and go to their clubs there. To no surprise, poor and jahili Moroccan youth, male and female, have been known to prostitute themselves to gay tourists. Same in Egypt.

And Western governments use 'think tanks' and 'foundations' and NGOs as fronts in Muslim countries to fund pro gay 'sexual rights'. Increasingly, gays in the Muslim world have access to Western funds and influence such as global media attention and political pressure to advance their interests.

So why is this alim only mimmicking what was reasonable 1000 years ago but appears silent about the realy 'gay' issues in the Muslim world like I just mentioned? How many NGOs and private organizations are working in Iraq at this moment promoting sexual freedom and gay rights and what is the alim's response?

Im not saying dont grow a long beard- do so and may Allah reward you. But the real issue about effeminacy and gayness in the Muslim world is about Western infiltration and continued cultural colonization and imperialism.

10-06-2009, 03:30 PM	#14
wizardasa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 461 Senior Member	Plenty of scholars of old used similar expressions: And from a famous Maliki scholar, Ibn 'Abdil-Barr (rahimahuLlah): Except shaykh ibn Abdul Barr (rhm) passed in 463 AH. The era has everything to do with the matter. It used to be that a Muslim who wore the clothes or suit identified as Western was a fasiq and possibly treasonous. Today, its normal for an alim to have a Western suit and tie in his closet. The fatawa also used to say the worshipper who didnt cover his head was in ithm and his salah was deficient. Now the ithm has been lifted by many ulama. Today, gays are usually completely shaven as are most Western men. But to really address the Muslim world, the believers have to confront the Western culture and the ideas which promote it. If you can't speak against the impact of secular media in the Muslim world, such as Iraq, which include the secular fahsha and **** from Egypt and Lebanon (the Gomorrah to Egypt's Sodom), and take the government's to task for allowing this filth and misguidance, then you are not really addressing the issue. A country like Morocco has been forced to accept gay tourism market from the West because its too poor to sustain an economy without it. Hence, gays visiting Morocco arrogantly claim a right to be gay in Maghreb and go to their clubs there. To no surprise, poor and jahili Moroccan youth, male and female, have been known to prostitute themselves to gay tourists. Same in Egypt. And Western governments use 'think tanks' and 'foundations' and NGOs as fronts in Muslim countries to fund pro gay 'sexual rights'. Increasingly, gays in the Muslim world have access to Western funds and influence such as global media attention and political pressure to advance their interests. So why is this alim only mimmicking what was reasonable 1000 years ago but appears silent about the realy 'gay' issues in the Muslim world like I just mentioned? How many NGOs and private organizations are working in Iraq at this moment promoting sexual freedom and gay rights and what is the alim's response? Im not saying dont grow a long beard- do so and may Allah reward you. But the real issue about effeminacy and gayness in the Muslim world is about Western infiltration and continued cultural colonization and imperialism.
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