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**greekbeast** · 10-06-2009, 06:22 PM

Today, its normal for an alim to have a Western suit and tie in his closet.

That, in my humble opinion, is not a dalil for anything. And I don't think the norm for traditional 'ulama is to wear a suit and tie. Wa Allahu a'lam.

(Not trying to get into a "suit and tie is haram/halal" discussion)

Today, gays are usually completely shaven as are most Western men.

Again, not a dalil for anything. We were told by the Prophet

to differ from the disbelievers, be they gay or straight. A lot of the top designers (haute couture etc.) are gay men. Naturally they "push" the fashion in a direction that appeals to them (making women look like boys and men look like boys or even transvestites). Wonder were the "metrosexual" thing came from?

But to really address the Muslim world, the believers have to confront the Western culture and the ideas which promote it. If you can't speak against the impact of secular media in the Muslim world, such as Iraq, which include the secular fahsha and **** from Egypt and Lebanon (the Gomorrah to Egypt's Sodom), and take the government's to task for allowing this filth and misguidance, then you are not really addressing the issue.

Who says you can't do both? It's like Hizb ut-Tahrir saying "we can't work for charitable organisations, because it is a task for the KHILAFAH!" - So let's let our brothers and sisters starve, because we have to pass out some Khilafah pamphlets...

A country like Morocco has been forced to accept gay tourism market from the West because its too poor to sustain an economy without it. Hence, gays visiting Morocco arrogantly claim a right to be gay in Maghreb and go to their clubs there. To no surprise, poor and jahili Moroccan youth, male and female, have been known to prostitute themselves to gay tourists. Same in Egypt.

Yes, it's a disgrace and the 'ulama SHOULD address this.

So why is this alim only mimmicking what was reasonable 1000 years ago but appears silent about the realy 'gay' issues in the Muslim world like I just mentioned? How many NGOs and private organizations are working in Iraq at this moment promoting sexual freedom and gay rights and what is the alim's response?

First of all, are you certain that this shaykh did not address that issue in another fatwa or speech?

Im not saying dont grow a long beard- do so and may Allah reward you. But the real issue about effeminacy and gayness in the Muslim world is about Western infiltration and continued cultural colonization and imperialism.

Who said it wasn't about that? Look at pictures of the Muslim men from before the colonization - nearly everyone had a beard. Even in places like Turkey and Bosnia...

10-06-2009, 06:22 PM	#15
greekbeast Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 431 Senior Member	Today, its normal for an alim to have a Western suit and tie in his closet. That, in my humble opinion, is not a dalil for anything. And I don't think the norm for traditional 'ulama is to wear a suit and tie. Wa Allahu a'lam. (Not trying to get into a "suit and tie is haram/halal" discussion) Today, gays are usually completely shaven as are most Western men. Again, not a dalil for anything. We were told by the Prophet to differ from the disbelievers, be they gay or straight. A lot of the top designers (haute couture etc.) are gay men. Naturally they "push" the fashion in a direction that appeals to them (making women look like boys and men look like boys or even transvestites). Wonder were the "metrosexual" thing came from? But to really address the Muslim world, the believers have to confront the Western culture and the ideas which promote it. If you can't speak against the impact of secular media in the Muslim world, such as Iraq, which include the secular fahsha and **** from Egypt and Lebanon (the Gomorrah to Egypt's Sodom), and take the government's to task for allowing this filth and misguidance, then you are not really addressing the issue. Who says you can't do both? It's like Hizb ut-Tahrir saying "we can't work for charitable organisations, because it is a task for the KHILAFAH!" - So let's let our brothers and sisters starve, because we have to pass out some Khilafah pamphlets... A country like Morocco has been forced to accept gay tourism market from the West because its too poor to sustain an economy without it. Hence, gays visiting Morocco arrogantly claim a right to be gay in Maghreb and go to their clubs there. To no surprise, poor and jahili Moroccan youth, male and female, have been known to prostitute themselves to gay tourists. Same in Egypt. Yes, it's a disgrace and the 'ulama SHOULD address this. So why is this alim only mimmicking what was reasonable 1000 years ago but appears silent about the realy 'gay' issues in the Muslim world like I just mentioned? How many NGOs and private organizations are working in Iraq at this moment promoting sexual freedom and gay rights and what is the alim's response? First of all, are you certain that this shaykh did not address that issue in another fatwa or speech? Im not saying dont grow a long beard- do so and may Allah reward you. But the real issue about effeminacy and gayness in the Muslim world is about Western infiltration and continued cultural colonization and imperialism. Who said it wasn't about that? Look at pictures of the Muslim men from before the colonization - nearly everyone had a beard. Even in places like Turkey and Bosnia...
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