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**lh88gFzI** · 10-07-2009, 03:42 PM

Salaam Sister,

Ever heard the Hadith, "whoever imitates a nation, he is one of them."? Ever read the Qur'an verse, "Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their millat(religion, traditions, lifestyle)." (2:120)

Kurta Sharwar cover the Sattar(Private areas) modestly, suit and pants DO NOT. People go into Sajdah in Kurta sharwar are modest, people who are in sajdah in pant and suits have underwear lines showing as well as sometimes their sattar.

What sister Sodoku said is right, get your facts straight first please.

As salamu alaikum
Shaykh Al-Bouti from Syria wears suit and pants. Is he inmodest? Shaykh Mahmud Effendi from Turkey wear baggy pants and shirt, sometimes with an overcoat... is he inmodest?
I own a white shalwar kamiz and once wore it with a white underwear that had some block design stamped on it. Madny hours later, in the masjid, I was seated an looked at my legs and could perfectly see the design of my underwear, under the shalwar kamiz. However, when I wore my suit and pants, nothing could be seen. So tell me, in wich clothes I was most inmodest in the above case?
I am not denying the merits of dressing in a manner that resembles our beloved Prophet and his companions, I myself prefer to wear a nice thoub and turban that jeans pants and shirt, but some people seens to have too deep isues with western clothes. A century or two ago that might be the case, because there was virtually no reverts in western countries and the western nations where in a deep strugle against us, but now there are thousends of reverts (like me), as muslims as any arab or indo-pak, and that are our dress... not the thoub, not the shalwar, not the lungi, and the western dress has became the dress of many cultures around the worls, losing it´s "western-only" trait. I do not see people complaining about the shalwar kamiz, that is in fact hindu in origin, but only see people compining about suits and jeans, no matter if thet are loose, baggy and above the ankles... why this? It is not like they are wearing a chatolic priest robe, or a jewish kippa and talit.
I know of pious muslims reverts who pray correctly, wear a beard (even if it is prohibited in their workplace), even cover their heads with a skullcap in prayer, but do not like to dress daily in thobe/shalwar kamez because they feel like they are wearing a costume... it is just not "their" clothing.
I will stop my rant there... sorry for anything, and sorry for my poor english... but sometimes I just don´t understand why such "hatred" for a simple suit or pants...

10-07-2009, 03:42 PM	#32
lh88gFzI Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 555 Senior Member	Salaam Sister, Ever heard the Hadith, "whoever imitates a nation, he is one of them."? Ever read the Qur'an verse, "Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their millat(religion, traditions, lifestyle)." (2:120) Kurta Sharwar cover the Sattar(Private areas) modestly, suit and pants DO NOT. People go into Sajdah in Kurta sharwar are modest, people who are in sajdah in pant and suits have underwear lines showing as well as sometimes their sattar. What sister Sodoku said is right, get your facts straight first please. As salamu alaikum Shaykh Al-Bouti from Syria wears suit and pants. Is he inmodest? Shaykh Mahmud Effendi from Turkey wear baggy pants and shirt, sometimes with an overcoat... is he inmodest? I own a white shalwar kamiz and once wore it with a white underwear that had some block design stamped on it. Madny hours later, in the masjid, I was seated an looked at my legs and could perfectly see the design of my underwear, under the shalwar kamiz. However, when I wore my suit and pants, nothing could be seen. So tell me, in wich clothes I was most inmodest in the above case? I am not denying the merits of dressing in a manner that resembles our beloved Prophet and his companions, I myself prefer to wear a nice thoub and turban that jeans pants and shirt, but some people seens to have too deep isues with western clothes. A century or two ago that might be the case, because there was virtually no reverts in western countries and the western nations where in a deep strugle against us, but now there are thousends of reverts (like me), as muslims as any arab or indo-pak, and that are our dress... not the thoub, not the shalwar, not the lungi, and the western dress has became the dress of many cultures around the worls, losing it´s "western-only" trait. I do not see people complaining about the shalwar kamiz, that is in fact hindu in origin, but only see people compining about suits and jeans, no matter if thet are loose, baggy and above the ankles... why this? It is not like they are wearing a chatolic priest robe, or a jewish kippa and talit. I know of pious muslims reverts who pray correctly, wear a beard (even if it is prohibited in their workplace), even cover their heads with a skullcap in prayer, but do not like to dress daily in thobe/shalwar kamez because they feel like they are wearing a costume... it is just not "their" clothing. I will stop my rant there... sorry for anything, and sorry for my poor english... but sometimes I just don´t understand why such "hatred" for a simple suit or pants...
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