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**ricochettty** · 06-11-2012, 12:49 PM

The only outlandish fatwa left now is for some fanatic Tasawwuf practitioners to claim that it is Haram to not have a Shaykh.

For the record I am not a Mufti.

Tasawwuf is about cleaning of inner self.
In is internal, spiritual laundry.
Allah (SWT) has told in the Noble Qur'an that he has succeeded who has cleansed himself - Qad aflaha man zakkaha.
He who wants to succeed has to go for inner cleaning and you do need a Shaikh for that.

You occasionally keep asserting that in modern times we do not need a Shaikh.
This gives an impression that some one is speaking with perspective.
To me this is not apparent and there is ample chance of this being a red herring.
Onus is on you to present the facts to us, why is not necessary to have a Shaikh in present times.
When Allah (SWT) connected success with self cleaning then was he talking about Prophetic times only? If so then why did He (SWT) forgot to sat it explicitly?

I'll wait for your evidence and I shall give you the advantage of knowing my arguments in advance.

Fas-alu ahl-ad-dhikri in kuntum la ta-almoon. Ask the knowledgeable people if you do not know. This in Godly injunction. The point to notice is that Allah (SWT) does not use Ahl-al-ilmi but Ahl-ad-dhikri. People of Dhikr. Perhaps He (SWT) had Mercy on people like us who will replace people by book. It is not difficult to replace ahl-al-ilmi with the book. Now people of Allah (SWT), the Masha-ikh are indeed people of Dhikr. I'll spare the people the a description of the amount of Dhikr our pious predecessors indulged in.

Then there is an even from the Noble Qur'an. beloved Prophet (PBUH) was asked to go and sit in the company of the people who were indulging in Dhikr of Allah (SWT). It is strange how some modern superiors debase and degrade Dhikr, may Allah (SWT) forgive. Here Allah (SWT) is commanding beloved Prophet (PBUH) to seek their company. And he (PBUH) did that - he found the Companions (RA) doing that and sat in their company. He (PBUH) was overwhelmed and recited the following supplication, "All praise and thanks are due my Lord Most Merciful who created such people that I am given orders to seek and sit in their company". This is what Mysticism is all about - to sit in the company of pious people, people of Dhikr.

I did deliberately jack up the stakes by telling to be obligatory with the hope that you shall at least consider it to be preferable . But it was not my own idea and this too was borrowed from one of those - Ahl-ad-Dhikr.
It was perhaps Shah Wasiullah Sahab (RA) Ilahabadi who said that mark my words I am telling in so many words that in modern times it is not social duty (Fard-e-Kafaya) but obligatory (Fard-e-Ain) to have self-cleaning relationship.

And Allah (SWT) knows the best.

06-11-2012, 12:49 PM	#13
ricochettty Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 521 Senior Member	The only outlandish fatwa left now is for some fanatic Tasawwuf practitioners to claim that it is Haram to not have a Shaykh. For the record I am not a Mufti. Tasawwuf is about cleaning of inner self. In is internal, spiritual laundry. Allah (SWT) has told in the Noble Qur'an that he has succeeded who has cleansed himself - Qad aflaha man zakkaha. He who wants to succeed has to go for inner cleaning and you do need a Shaikh for that. You occasionally keep asserting that in modern times we do not need a Shaikh. This gives an impression that some one is speaking with perspective. To me this is not apparent and there is ample chance of this being a red herring. Onus is on you to present the facts to us, why is not necessary to have a Shaikh in present times. When Allah (SWT) connected success with self cleaning then was he talking about Prophetic times only? If so then why did He (SWT) forgot to sat it explicitly? I'll wait for your evidence and I shall give you the advantage of knowing my arguments in advance. Fas-alu ahl-ad-dhikri in kuntum la ta-almoon. Ask the knowledgeable people if you do not know. This in Godly injunction. The point to notice is that Allah (SWT) does not use Ahl-al-ilmi but Ahl-ad-dhikri. People of Dhikr. Perhaps He (SWT) had Mercy on people like us who will replace people by book. It is not difficult to replace ahl-al-ilmi with the book. Now people of Allah (SWT), the Masha-ikh are indeed people of Dhikr. I'll spare the people the a description of the amount of Dhikr our pious predecessors indulged in. Then there is an even from the Noble Qur'an. beloved Prophet (PBUH) was asked to go and sit in the company of the people who were indulging in Dhikr of Allah (SWT). It is strange how some modern superiors debase and degrade Dhikr, may Allah (SWT) forgive. Here Allah (SWT) is commanding beloved Prophet (PBUH) to seek their company. And he (PBUH) did that - he found the Companions (RA) doing that and sat in their company. He (PBUH) was overwhelmed and recited the following supplication, "All praise and thanks are due my Lord Most Merciful who created such people that I am given orders to seek and sit in their company". This is what Mysticism is all about - to sit in the company of pious people, people of Dhikr. I did deliberately jack up the stakes by telling to be obligatory with the hope that you shall at least consider it to be preferable . But it was not my own idea and this too was borrowed from one of those - Ahl-ad-Dhikr. It was perhaps Shah Wasiullah Sahab (RA) Ilahabadi who said that mark my words I am telling in so many words that in modern times it is not social duty (Fard-e-Kafaya) but obligatory (Fard-e-Ain) to have self-cleaning relationship. And Allah (SWT) knows the best.
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