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Old 06-11-2012, 04:41 PM   #31
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Salaam Aleikum

Than whats your opinion of the destruction of the shrine in jannatul baqi? Your answer here obviously will show the enmity some have towards ahlul bayt. No matter how you will try to justify it. I rather think education is far better then destroying islamic history. Also to have that view that shias slander and hate sahaba is outrageous and again only fueling lies and division in the islamic ummah, and this is coming from the top of the salafie school of thought.

Actions speak louder than words. You only have to look at Jannatul Baqi, and the answer lies, who the real haters are.

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32. Like Ahlesunnah even Imam Ali(ra), Imam Baqir(ra), Imam Jafar(ra)[1st , 5th , 6th shia Imams] believed that graves should be leveled and that no building should be made over them.

A. Sahi muslim Bk 4, Number 2115: Abu’l−Hayyaj al−Asadi told that ‘Ali (b. Abu Talib) said to him: Should I not send you on the same mission as Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent me? Do not leave an image without obliterating it, or a high grave without leveling It.

B. From Shia book, Wasa’il ash-Shi’a:

[6614] 7 ـ وعنهم ، عن سهل ، عن جعفر بن محمد الأشعري ، عن ابن القداح ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : بعثني رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) في هدم القبور وكسر الصور.

ورواه البرقي في ( المحاسن ) عن جعفر بن محمد الأشعري ، مثله.

7 – And from them from Sahl from Ja`far b. Muhammad al-Ash`ari from Ibn al-Qaddah (?) from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله sent me to tear down the graves and break the images.

C. 6615] 8 ـ وعن علي بن إبراهيم ، عن أبيه ، عن النوفلي ، عن السكوني ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : بعثني رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) إلى المدينة فقال : لا تدع صورة إلا محوتها ، ولا قبراً إلا سويته ، ولا كلباً إلا قتلته.

ورواه البرقي في ( المحاسن ) عن النوفلي ، مثله.

8 – And from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from an-Nawfali from as-Sakuni from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام said: The Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله sent me to Madina, and said: Do not leave an image but that you have effaced it, nor a grave but that you have leveled it, nor a dog but that you have killed it.

D. And al-Barqi narrated it in Shia book, al-Mahasin from an-Nawfali likewise.

[6616] 9 ـ محمد بن الحسن بإسناده عن الحسين بن سعيد ، عن النضر بن سويد ، عن القاسم بن سليمان ، عن جراح المدائني ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : لا تبنوا على القبور ولا تصوروا سقوف البيوت فإن رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) كره ذلك.

أحمد بن محمد البرقي في ( المحاسن ) عن أبيه ، عن النضر بن سويد ، مثله.

وعن يوسف بن عقيل ، عن محمد بن قيس ، عن أبي جعفر ( عليه السلام ) ، مثله.

9 – Muhammad b. al-Hasan by his isnad from al-Husayn b. Sa`id from an-Nadr b. Suwayd from al-Qasim b. Sulayman from Jarrah al-Mada’ini from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Do not build upon the graves and do not make images on the roofs of the houses, for verily the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله disliked that.

E. Ahmad b. Muhammad al-Barqi in al-Mahasin from his father from an-Nadr b. Suwayd likewise.

F. And from Yusuf b. `Aqil from Muhammad b. Qays from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام likewise.

G. [6617] 10 ـ وعن أبيه ، عن ابن سنان ، عن أبي الجارود ، عن الأصبغ بن نباتة ، عن أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) قال : من جدد قبراً أو مثل مثالاً فقد خرج من الإسلام.

ورواه الشيخ والصدوق كما مر.

10 And from his father from Ibn Sinan from Abu ‘l-Jarud from al-Asbagh b. Nabata from Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام. He said: Whoever renovates a grave or fashions an image has gone out of Islam.

H.
قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لا تتخذوا قبري قبلة ولا مسجداً؛ فإن الله عز وجل لعن اليهود حين اتخذوا قبور أنبيائهم مساجد
“The prophet (sallalahu alayhi wa ala alihi wa salam) said: “Don’t take my grave like place of worship or “Qibla”, Allah cursed jews which build Mosques over graves of their prophets”.
Source: Sheih Saduk “Man la yahduruhul fagih” vol 1, p 178, hadis# 532;
Allama Majlisi “Biharul Anwar” vol 79, p 20;
Allama Majlisi “Biharul anwar” vol 80, p 313.

I. Sheikh Saduq narrated in Shia book “Man La Yahdaruhu ‘l-Faqih” (1/178)
وسأله سماعة بن مهران ” عن زيارة القبور وبناء المساجد فيها، فقال: أما زيارة القبور فلا بأس بها، ولا ينبى عندها مساجد “.
And Sama`a b. Mihran asked him about visiting the graves and constructing masajid (pl. of masjid) in them. So he said: As to visiting the graves then there is no harm with it, but one does not construct masajid on them.

Hadith authenticated by Muhammad Baqir al-Bahbudi, he included it in “Sahih Man La Yahdaruhu ‘l-Faqih”.

J.
عَلِيُّ بْنُ الْحُسَيْنِ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْحُسَيْنِ بْنِ أَبِي الْخَطَّابِ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ أَسْبَاطٍ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا الْحَسَنِ مُوسَى ع عَنِ الْبِنَاءِ عَلَى الْقَبْرِ وَ الْجُلُوسِ عَلَيْهِ هَلْ يَصْلُحُ قَالَ
لَا يَصْلُحُ الْبِنَاءُ عَلَيْهِ وَ لَا الْجُلُوسُ وَ لَا تَجْصِيصُهُ وَ لَا تَطْيِينُهُ
‘Alee bin Ja’far asked 7th Shia Imaam about building upon graves and sitting (by them). He said: One cannot build upon it, and sit, and plaster, and “clay” it over

Source:
Al-Toosi, Tahdheeb Al-aHkaam, vol. 1, ch. 23, pg. 461, hadeeth # 148
Al-Toosi, Al-IstibSaar, vol. 1, ch. 128, pg. 217, hadeeth # 1
Al-Aamilee, Wasaa’il Al-Shee’ah, vol. 3, ch. 44, pg. 210, hadeeth # 3426
Al-Majlisi, Bihaar Al-Anwaar, vol. 3, ch. 12, pg. 79
‘Alee ibn Ja’far (brother of 7th Imaam ), Masaa-il ‘Alee ibn Ja’far, pg. 212, hadeeth # 460

Grading:
Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq KalSaHeeH (Reliable (taken as a) SaHeeH (hadeeth))
–> Milaadh Al-Akhyaar, vol. 3, pg. 298
The reason why it is considered Muwaththaq (Reliable) is mainly because of ‘Alee ibn AsbaaT, he is 100% thiqah, but people have differed on his madhhab. However, Al-Khoei said that ‘Alee ibn AsbaaT is a Shee’ah Imaamee and his madhhab is good. (See: Al-Khoei, Mu’jam Rijaal Al-Hadeeth, vol. 11, pg. 260, under person # 7923). So this hadeeth is actually graded as purely SaHeeH

Comment: So not plastering graves, not building structures over them AND LEVELING graves if found in such conditions are from the teachings and the sunnah of Prophet(Saw), Ali(ra) and other Shia Imams. This is also the belief of Ahlesunnah and they strictly follow these teachings. But on the other hand shias go against the teachings of their Imams by plastering graves and building structures over them, but on the contrary they accuse the true followers of Ali(ra)[Ahlesunnah], when they follow these commands of Ali(ra), by leveling the high or plastered graves or when they dismantle the structures built over graves. Here are few examples to show how shias have violated these commands of their Imams. [Example 1:Tomb of khomeini over his grave] [Example 2: Plastered Grave of Shia Ayatulah sayyed hussain bourjedi]


33. Like Ahlesunnah even the Imam Abu Abdullah(ra) and Imam Baqir(ra)[6th and 5th Imam] believed that the height of grave could be raised by four fingers.

وعن علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن حماد بن عثمان، عن أبي عبد الله (عليه السلام) قال: إن أبي قال لي ذات يوم في مرضه: إذ أنا مت فغسلني وكفني، وارفع قبري أربع أصابع، ورشه بالماء، الحديث
And from Ali b. Ibrahim, from his father, from ibn Abi Umayr, from Hammad b. Uthman, from Abi Abdullah(as) said: My father(as) said to me on a day of his illness: “When I die bathe me and shroud me, and raise my grave by four fingers, and sprinkle it with water.” [shia book, Wasail al shia]

Comment : from this report we find that the teaching of Imam regarding height of grave from ground should be about four fingers. This is also the view of Ahlesunnah, but unfortunately when shias make a grave of their saints then the size given to that grave is multiple times more than the size prescribed by their Imam. [Example 1: Was the height of grave of Shia scholar khomeini, near this size adviced by Imams?] Taken from

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