[career-builder]

I think you just summarised the way of thinking of the salafie school of thought with regards to:
-The literal reading of the quran
- and the attributes of allah swt.

8. Like Ahlesunnah even Imam Abul Hasan(ra)[8th Imam] affirmed the attributes of Allah without likening.

A. Narrated Kulayni in his “al-Kafi” 1/100-101:
محمد بن أبي عبد الله عن محمد بن إسماعيل عن الحسين بن الحسن عن بكر بن صالح عن الحسن بن سعيد عن إبراهيم بن محمد الخزاز ومحمد بن الحسين قالا: دخلنا على أبي الحسن الرضا ع فحكينا له أن محمد صلى الله عليه وآله رأى ربه في صورة الشاب الموفق في سن أبناء ثلاثين سنة وقلنا: إن هشام بن سالم وصاحب الطاق و الميثمي يقولون: إنه أجوف إلى السرة والبقية صمد؟ فخر ساجدا لله ثم قال: سبحانك ما عرفوك ولا وحدوك فمن أجل ذلك وصفوك سبحانك لو عرفوك لوصفوك بما وصفت به نفسك سبحانك كيف طاوعتهم أنفسهم أن يشبهوك بغيرك اللهم لا أصفك إلا بما وصفت به نفسك ولا أشبهك بخلقك أنت أهل لكل خير فلا تجعلني من القوم الظالمين ثم التفت إلينا فقال: ما توهمتم من شيء فتوهموا الله غيره ثم قال: نحن آل محمد النمط الأوسط الذي لا يدركنا الغالي ولا يسبقنا التالي يا محمد إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله حين نظر إلى عظمة ربه كان في هيئة الشاب الموفق وسن أبناء ثلاثين سنة يا محمد عظم ربي عز وجل أن يكون في صفة المخلوقين قال قلت: جعلت فداك من كانت رجلاه في خضرة؟ قال: ذاك محمد كان إذا نظر إلى ربه بقلبه جعله في نور مثل نور الحجب حتى يستبين له ما في الحجب إن نور الله منه أخضر ومنه أحمر ومنه أبيض ومنه غير ذلك يا محمد ما شهد له الكتاب والسنة فنحن القائلون به .

Muhammad ibn abu ‘Abdallah has narrated from Muhammad ibn Isma‘il from al-Husayn ibn al-Hassan from Bakr ibn Salih from al-Hassan ibn Sa‘id from Ibrahim ibn Muhammad al-Khazzaz and Muhammad ibn al-Husayn they both have said the following, “We met Imam abu abu al-Hassan al-Rida (a.s.) and stated to him that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.) saw His Lord in the fashion of a full grown young man of thirty years and added that Hisham ibn Salim and Sahib al-Taq and al-Maythami say that He is hallow down to His navel and the rest is solid. The Imam bowed down to a prostrating position and then said, ‘(O Lord), Glory belongs to you they have not recognized You nor have they acknowledged Your Oneness thus, they attribute to You such things. (O Lord, Glory belongs to You, had they recognized You they would have attributed to You what you yourself have attributed to Yourself and they would not have considered You similar to things other than You. O Lord, I do not attribute to You anything other than what You have attributed to Yourself and do not consider You similar to Your creatures. To You belongs all good. Do not place me among the unjust ones.’ The Imam (a.s.) then turned to us saying, “Whatever you may imagine (make Wahm of) consider Allah some thing other than it.” He continued, ‘We, people of the family of the Prophet (s.a.), are the middle type and the criteria. Those who exceed can not catch up with us and those who follow can not go ahead of us. O Muhammad, when the messenger of Allah looked at the greatness of his Lord he was of the type of people as fully grown up as thirty years old people. O Muhammad, my Lord, the Majestic, the Glorious, is far greater than to be of the qualities of the creatures.” The narrator has said that I said, “May the Lord take my soul for your service, who was the one with his feet in the green?” The Imam said, “He was Prophet Muhammad (s.a.) when looked at his Lord with his heart He placed him in the light like that of the Hujub so he can see what is inside the Hujub. Of the light of Allah some are green, red, white and others. O Muhammad whatever has confirmation in the book and the Sunnah “we affirm it”.”[ This hadith is graded muwaththaq(reliable) by al-Majlisi in his book Mirat ul uqool: (1st hadith)

(الحديث الأول)
(2): موثق.
Same report was transmitted by Saduq in Tawhid p 113 via his own chain:
13 - حدثنا علي بن أحمد بن محمد بن عمران الدقاق رضي الله عنه، قال: حدثنا محمد بن أبي عبد الله الكوفي، عن محمد بن إسماعيل البرمكي، عن الحسين ابن الحسن، عن بكر بن صالح، عن الحسين بن سعيد (2) عن إبراهيم بن محمد الخزاز، ومحمد بن الحسين، قالا: دخلنا على أبي الحسن الرضا عليه السلام فحكينا له ما روي أن محمدا صلى الله عليه وآله رأى ربه في هيئة الشاب الموفق في سن ابناء ثلاثين سنة رجلاه في خضرة

Comment: Like Ahlesunnah even Shia Imam preached the same beliefs of affirming the attributes of Allah which Allah himself have affirmed for him in his book and sunnah. Without consider that those attributes are similar to the creation, this is the creed of people on middle course i.e Ahlesunnah wal Jama’ah, unlike that of Shias.

B. Ibn Babaweyh al-Qummi narrated in his book “At-Tawhid” (p 100-101):

حدثنا محمد بن الحسن بن أحمد بن الوليد قال: حدثنا محمد بن يحيى العطار قال: حدثنا محمد بن أحمد قال: حدثنا محمد بن عيسى عن هشام بن إبراهيم قال: قال العباسي قلت له يعني أبا الحسن ع: جعلت فداك أمرني بعض مواليك أن أسألك عن مسألة قال: ومن هو؟ قلت: الحسن بن سهل قال: في أي شئ المسألة؟ قال: قلت في التوحيد قال: وأي شئ من التوحيد؟ قال: يسألك عن الله جسم أو لا جسم ؟ قال : فقال لي: إن للناس في التوحيد ثلاثة مذاهب مذهب إثبات بتشبيه و مذهب النفي ومذهب إثبات بلا تشبيه. فمذهب الاثبات بتشبيه لا يجوز ومذهب النفي لا يجوز والطريق في المذهب الثالث إثبات بلا تشبيه

(Chain) Abbasi said: “I said to him – it’s mean to Abul Hasan (alaihi salam) : “May I be your ransom, some of your mawaliya ordered me to ask your about issue”. He asked: “And who is that?”. I said: “al-Hasan ibn Sahl”. He said: “And what is issue about?”. I said: “About Tawhid”. He asked: “And what about tawhid?” I said: “Question you about Allah, is He jism or not jism?”. And he (imam) said to me: “People in question of tawhid divided in 3 mazahib. (1) Mazhab isbat bi tashbih (accept and likening), (2) mazhab nafyi (rejection) and (3) mazhab isbat bila tashbih (accept without likening) . And mazhab isbat bi tashbih isn’t permitted, and mazhab an-nafyi isn’t permitted, the (correct) way in the 3-d mazhab isbat bila tashbih(accept without likening)”. See also “Biharul anwar” 3/304.

Comment: There is no doubt that it’s disbelief to accept sifaat(attributes) of Allah, and say that they are similar to the sifaat of His creation. That’s first mazhab in this hadith. Also it’s prohibited to reject any sifaat of Allah, that came to us in Quran or saheeh sunnah. This is second mazhab in this hadith which rejects the attributes, we can see modern shias upon this way. They reject such sifaat of Allah, like hand, face, eyes and etc. But all these sifaats are present in Holy Quran.[Shakir 38:75] He said: O Iblis! what prevented you that you should do obeisance to him whom I created with My two hands? Are you proud or are you of the exalted ones?

[Shakir 54:13] And We bore him on that which was made of planks and nails
[Shakir 54:14] Sailing, before Our eyes, a reward for him who was denied.

And third and acceptable mazhab in this hadith, that was described like “way” by imam, is mazhab that ahlesunnah wal jamaat is upon. We accept all sifaat from Quran and sahih sunnah, and we doesn’t liken them to any sifaat of creation.


9. Like Ahlesunnah even Imams of Shias affirmed the Sifaat(attributes) of Allah, as reported in SHIA HADEETH.

A. Kafi by Kulayni. vol 1, p 209:

5 – عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى، عن الحسين بن سعيد، عن فضالة بن أيوب: عن أبي المغرا، عن محمد بن سالم، عن أبان بن تغلب قال:
سمعت أبا عبدالله (عليه السلام) يقول: قال رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله): من أراد أن يحيى حياتي، ويموت ميتتي ويدخل جنة عدن التي غرسها الله ربي بيده، فليتول علي بن أبي طالب وليتول وليه، وليعاد عدوه، وليسلم للاوصياء من بعده، فإنهم عترتي من لحمي ودمي، أعطاهم الله فهمي وعلمي، إلى الله أشكو [أمر] امتي، المنكرين لفضلهم، القاطعين فيهم صلتي، وأيم الله ليقتلن ابني لا أنالهم الله شفاعتي.

A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from al-Husayn ibn Said from Fudala ibn Ayyub from abu a1-Maghra from Muhammad ibn Salim from Aban ibn Taghlib from abu Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following: “The Messenger of Allah has said, Whoever would want to live like my living, die like I will die and enter the garden of Eden that my Lord has planted with His own hands, he must love (acknowledge the Divine authority of) Ali (a.s.) ibn abu Talib. He must love (acknowledge the Divine authority of his successor) those who love him, be the enemy of his enemies and submit in obedience to his successors after him because they are of my family and my flesh and blood. Allah has given them my understanding and knowledge. I appeal to Allah and complain to Him about the case of my peoples dealings, their denying the virtue and excellence of the Imams from my family. I complain to Allah for their disregard of my relation with them. By Allah, they will murder my son (al-Husayn (a.s.). May Allah deprive them of my intercession.

B. Al-Qummi in “Qurub al-Isnaad” p 61:

193 – وعنه عن صفوان الجمال عن أبي عبد الله ع قال : ” قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله : عن يمين الله – وكلتا يديه يمين – عن يمين العرش قوم على وجوههم نور لباسهم من نور على كراسي من نور فقال له علي : يا رسول الله من هؤلاء ؟ فقال له : شيعتنا وأنت إمامهم “

From Abu Abdullah (alaihi salam): “Messenger of Allah (sallalahu alaihi wa alihi) said: “From the right of Allah – AND HIS BOTH HANDS ARE RIGHT – at the right side of Arsh in the doomsday would be group, their faces would be shine, their clothes would be (from) light, (they would be) upon the chairs from light”. And Ali said to him: Who are they O messenger of Allah? He said: Your shias and you are their imam”.

C. Narrated by Kulayni in “Kafi” 1/126:

4 – علي بن محمد، عن سهل بن زياد، عن محمد بن عيسى قال: كتبت إلى أبي الحسن علي بن محمد (عليهما السلام): جعلني الله فداك يا سيدي قد روي لنا: أن الله في موضع دون موضع على العرش استوى، وأنه ينزل كل ليلة في النصف الاخير من الليل إلى السماء الدنيا، وروي: أنه ينزل عشية عرفة ثم يرجع إلى موضعه، فقال بعض مواليك في ذلك: إذا كان في موضع دون موضع، فقد يلاقيه الهواء ويتكنف عليه والهواء جسم رقيق يتكنف على كل شئ بقدره، فكيف يتكنف عليه جل ثناؤه على هذا المثال؟ فوقع (عليه السلام): علم ذلك عنده (2) وهو المقدر له بما هو أحسن تقديرا واعلم أنه إذا كان في السماء الدنيا فهو كما هو على العرش، والاشياء كلها له سواء علما وقدرة وملكا وإحاطة.
وعنه، عن محمد بن جعفر الكوفي، عن محمد بن عيسى مثله.

Ali ibn Muhammad has narrated from Sahl ibn Ziyad from Muhammad ibn Isa who has said the following.
“I wrote to Imam abu al-Hassan, Ali ibn Muhammad (a.s.) to clarify a question. May Allah take my soul in your service, O my master, it is narrated to us that Allah is in one place and not in another place on Arsh, (the Throne) resting. He comes down to the sky above the earth every night during the last half of the night. It is narrated that He comes down at the ninth evening of the month of Dhul Hajj and then He returns back to His place. Certain individuals among your friends have said that if He would be found in certain places and not in other places the air must have come in contact with Him and would surround Him because air is a thin form of body that surrounds everything proportionate to its size. How then the air would surround Allah, the Most Holy and the Most High, According to this assumption? The Imam replied in writing, “He has the knowledge of this. He is the best One in having the true measurements of all things. You must, However, note that His being in the sky over the earth is just as He on the Throne. All things to Him are the same in the matters of His knowledge and power, domination and control.”

Muhammad ibn Jafar al-Kufi has narrated from Muhammad ibn Isa a similar Hadith

Majlese said weak about first chain, and said sahih ala thahir about second way of transmission.

D. Kulayni in “Kafi” 1/126-127, and authenticated by Majlese in “Mirat” 1/67.

5 – عنه، عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن محمد بن خالد، عن يعقوب بن يزيد عن ابن أبي عمير، عن ابن اذينة، عن أبي عبدالله (عليه السلام) في قوله تعالى: ” ما يكون من نجوى ثلاثة إلا هو رابعهم ولا خمسة إلا هو سادسهم ” فقال، هو واحد واحدي الذات، بائن من خلقه، وبذاك وصف نفسه، ” وهو بكل شئ محيط ” بالاشراف والاحاطة والقدرة ” لا يعزب عنه مثقال ذرة في السماوات ولا في الارض ولا أصغر من ذلك ولا أكبر ” بالاحاطة والعلم لا بالذات لان الاماكن محدودة تحويها حدود أربعة فإذا كان بالذات لزمها الحواية.

It is narrated from him (the narrator of the above Haddith) from a group of our people from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from Yaqub ibn yazid from ibn abu Umayr from ibn Udhaynah from Imam abu Abdallah (a.s.) who has said the following: It is about the words of Allah “There is not a single place wherein any secret counsel can take place between any three people without God being the fourth, nor five people without His being the sixth. . .” (58:7). “He is One, the One only in His Own-self. He is different from His creatures and as such He has said about His Own-Self. He has control over all things through His presence, control and power. Nothing as small as an atom in the heavens or earth is absent from Him, not even things smaller or bigger. It is all through His control and knowledge not by His-self. It is because the places are limited by the four boundaries. If it would be by His-self it would limit Him.

Comment: We have seen many people who use those verses to proof that Allah is bizatehe(with his ownself) everywhere (authubillah). Alhamdulillah imam explained it exactly as Ahlesunnah understand that verse that Allah is everywhere by His control and knowledge and not by His-self.


10. Like Ahlesunnah even Imams of Shias believed in Uluw of Allah

A. Shia shaykh Abu Jafar al-Barqi (d 274), in his book “al-Mahasin” (1/231-231) narrated from Abu Basir, which reported from one of Imams:

لا تكذبوا الحديث إذا أتاكم به مرجئ ولا قدري ولا حروري ينسبه إلينا ، فإنكم لا تدرون لعله شئ من الحق فيكذب الله فوق عرشه
Don’t reject hadith which ascribed to us, if it come to you from muriji, or qadari, or haruri. Because you don’t know, perhaps things from the truth (in those reports)AND (BY REJECTING IT) YOU WOULD LIE UPON ALLAH (WHO IS) BEYOND THE ARSH.

B.
و روى الصدوق في العلل بإسناده الصحيح عن أبي بصير عن أحدهما عليهما السلام قال:
لا تكذبوا بحديث أتاكم به مرجى‏ء و لا قدري و لا خارجي نسبه إلينا، فإنكم لا تدرون لعله شي‏ء من الحق فتكذبوا الله عز و جل فوق عرشه
And narrated al Sadooq(ra) in al Illal (Illul ul sharai) with sahih (authentic) sanad (chain of narration) from Abi Baseer from one of the 2 Imams(as) said: Don’t reject hadith which has come to you people through murj’i, qadari and kharji attributed to us, for verily you people don’t know for it is something from the truth AND (BY REJECTING IT) YOU WOULD LIE UPON ALLAH (WHO IS) BEYOND THE ARSH.

Comment: So like Ahlesunnah even shia Imams believed in Uluw of Allah, unlike the shias who reject it.
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