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**Cajlwdvx** · 05-23-2012, 12:46 AM

Can u plz provide Chapter name where Imam Bukhari Rahimahullah mentioned this hadith?
Plz provide full reference by mentioning Book Number : Volume Number : Hadith Number (I.e Bukhari :: Book xxx :: Volume xxx :: Hadith xxx ).

I got followings in Sahih Muslim, but hadiths r not showing that this is Rafa Yadin before & after Ruku!!!!

Chapter 24 : THE COMMAND TO OBSERVE PRAYER WITH TRANQUILLITYAND CALMNESS AND PROHIBITION OF MAKING GESTURES WITH HANDS AND LIFTING THEMWHILE PRONOUNCING SALUTATION, ANDTHE COMPLETING OF FIRST ROWSAND JOINING TOGETHER WELL IN THEM
Book 4, Number 0864:

Jabir b. Samura reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer.He (the narrator) said: He then again came to us and saw us (sitting) in circles; he said: How is it that I see you in separate groups? He (the narrator) said: He again came to us and said: Why don't you draw yourselves up in rows as angels do in the presence of their Lord?We said: Messenger of Allah, bow do the angels draw themselves up in rows in the presence of their Lord?He (the Holy Prophet) said: They make the first rows complete and keep close together in the row.

Book 4, Number 0865:

This hadith has been narrated by A'mash with the same chain of transmitters.

Book 4, Number 0866:

Jabir b. Samura reported: When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), we pronounced: Peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, and made gesture with the hand on both the sides.Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him said: What do you point out with your hands as if they are the tails of headstrong horses?This is enough for you that one should place one's hand on one's thigh and then pronounce salutation upon one's brother on the right side and then on the left.

Book 4, Number 0867:

Jabir b. Samura reported: We said our prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and, while pronouncing salutations, we made gestures with our hands (indicating) "Peace be upon you, peace be upon you." The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) looked towards us and said: Why is it that you make gestures with your hands like the tails of headstrong horses?When any one of you pro- nounces salutation (in prayer) he should only turn his face towards his companion and should not make a gesture with his hand.

There we go again. Do you follow Bukhari's Titles or do you follow what Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam said? It seems you're a bigger muqallid than I thought. Either way, I wouldn't even bother debating with juhala since I've given up on this practice.

05-23-2012, 12:46 AM	#8
Cajlwdvx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 654 Senior Member	Can u plz provide Chapter name where Imam Bukhari Rahimahullah mentioned this hadith? Plz provide full reference by mentioning Book Number : Volume Number : Hadith Number (I.e Bukhari :: Book xxx :: Volume xxx :: Hadith xxx ). I got followings in Sahih Muslim, but hadiths r not showing that this is Rafa Yadin before & after Ruku!!!! Chapter 24 : THE COMMAND TO OBSERVE PRAYER WITH TRANQUILLITYAND CALMNESS AND PROHIBITION OF MAKING GESTURES WITH HANDS AND LIFTING THEMWHILE PRONOUNCING SALUTATION, ANDTHE COMPLETING OF FIRST ROWSAND JOINING TOGETHER WELL IN THEM Book 4, Number 0864: Jabir b. Samura reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: How is it that I see you lifting your hands like the tails of headstrong horses? Be calm in prayer.He (the narrator) said: He then again came to us and saw us (sitting) in circles; he said: How is it that I see you in separate groups? He (the narrator) said: He again came to us and said: Why don't you draw yourselves up in rows as angels do in the presence of their Lord?We said: Messenger of Allah, bow do the angels draw themselves up in rows in the presence of their Lord?He (the Holy Prophet) said: They make the first rows complete and keep close together in the row. Book 4, Number 0865: This hadith has been narrated by A'mash with the same chain of transmitters. Book 4, Number 0866: Jabir b. Samura reported: When we said prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), we pronounced: Peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, peace be upon you and Mercy of Allah, and made gesture with the hand on both the sides.Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him said: What do you point out with your hands as if they are the tails of headstrong horses?This is enough for you that one should place one's hand on one's thigh and then pronounce salutation upon one's brother on the right side and then on the left. Book 4, Number 0867: Jabir b. Samura reported: We said our prayer with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and, while pronouncing salutations, we made gestures with our hands (indicating) "Peace be upon you, peace be upon you." The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) looked towards us and said: Why is it that you make gestures with your hands like the tails of headstrong horses?When any one of you pro- nounces salutation (in prayer) he should only turn his face towards his companion and should not make a gesture with his hand. There we go again. Do you follow Bukhari's Titles or do you follow what Rasoolullah sallAllahu alaihi wasallam said? It seems you're a bigger muqallid than I thought. Either way, I wouldn't even bother debating with juhala since I've given up on this practice.
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