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**vulikox** · 06-06-2012, 09:19 AM

I agree with you on the Malaysian Insider website being secularists and they normally report the news with a very negative slant towards Islam. The point I was trying to make is that the court had allowed the imposition of such a law which prevents dakwah from being done just because the religious authority does not want to recognise that person as someone with religious credentials. No doubt in the states controlled by the Islamist party and their allies, this is not a problem, however in the states controlled by the ruling nationalist regime, they can exert their control as has been done in this case. Dakwah is being threatened by this development. Soon we will have people being arrested just because they decided to talk about Islam to some nationalist and he decides that this person does not have credentials and should not speak. They could even arrest people on matters of khilaf, point being example my recent post in this thread:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...fist-in-length

just because they decide that the matter is something they deem "deviant'' from their "version'' of they say Islam is. They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh. I know my post is starting to turn into a bit of a rant, but the fact is this is what is happening the Malaysia and the fact that such a law can now come into effect will further stop people from being able to teach Islam be it from Shafi'i or other madhab's in the country. The only good I see is that this can be used against those deviant Rafidi's with their shirk beliefs and the Ahmadiyyah with their false prophet.

brother, actually how long have you been in Malaysia? Granted that Malaysia is far from perfect as a good Islamic country, but the efforts are massively underway,

.

I'll break several of the issues you've raised into several points;

1. "They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh."

- That's inherently not true. The sharia court last year upheld a marriage done in Pakistan between a Pakistani gentleman and a Malaysian woman which was done according to Hanafi fiqh. This was documented and publicly reported, but it wasn't come as a big news as every Muslim should know that if one is from an ahlul-sunnah, then

there should be no problem.

- Regarding "believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct", that's also not correct. Muslims in Malaysia only consider ahlul-sunnah as correct. Most of the Muslims in Malaysia will refrain from takfiri as we accept that we don't know much the reason for the takfir, and also because the accused party is not given a chance to defend himself/herself. However if there's an open and clear kuffr being done, then we accept that the said person is confirm of his/her kuffr, unless of course if the said person repented and publicly declare so.

What you experience is probably an interaction with Shafi'i followers who never interact with Muslims from other madzhab. In such cases, of course they wouldn't know about the fiqh according to other madzhab as their sole reference was only Shafi'i fiqh.

2. The colonial law that you mentioned just now was originally devised to prevent the deviants like Ahmadiyya from spreading in Malaysia. Actually, local scholars publicly debated with Ahamadiyya sect in some 1920s and openly declared them as kuffr after that. Also currently there are a small rafidi group that I know in Penang that are actively trying to convert sunnis to their "sect".

there was a public debate with them and uploaded to youtube for any local Muslim to watch it. But as usual if the rulers are not sincere, not from people with amanah, then they will try to use any tools available to stifle their opponents. The nationalists are actually very afraid of the Islamists influence.

Allahu'alam.

06-06-2012, 09:19 AM	#8
vulikox Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 638 Senior Member	I agree with you on the Malaysian Insider website being secularists and they normally report the news with a very negative slant towards Islam. The point I was trying to make is that the court had allowed the imposition of such a law which prevents dakwah from being done just because the religious authority does not want to recognise that person as someone with religious credentials. No doubt in the states controlled by the Islamist party and their allies, this is not a problem, however in the states controlled by the ruling nationalist regime, they can exert their control as has been done in this case. Dakwah is being threatened by this development. Soon we will have people being arrested just because they decided to talk about Islam to some nationalist and he decides that this person does not have credentials and should not speak. They could even arrest people on matters of khilaf, point being example my recent post in this thread: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...fist-in-length just because they decide that the matter is something they deem "deviant'' from their "version'' of they say Islam is. They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh. I know my post is starting to turn into a bit of a rant, but the fact is this is what is happening the Malaysia and the fact that such a law can now come into effect will further stop people from being able to teach Islam be it from Shafi'i or other madhab's in the country. The only good I see is that this can be used against those deviant Rafidi's with their shirk beliefs and the Ahmadiyyah with their false prophet. brother, actually how long have you been in Malaysia? Granted that Malaysia is far from perfect as a good Islamic country, but the efforts are massively underway, . I'll break several of the issues you've raised into several points; 1. "They made decide to enforce the Shafi'i school on those in the country without giving thought to those who are from the Hanafi, Hambali or Maliki schools that differ in view. Based on my experience in many local villages in the country, a lot of these village people have been influenced and brainwashed into believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct without even understanding what it I means to be following a particular school of Fiqh." - That's inherently not true. The sharia court last year upheld a marriage done in Pakistan between a Pakistani gentleman and a Malaysian woman which was done according to Hanafi fiqh. This was documented and publicly reported, but it wasn't come as a big news as every Muslim should know that if one is from an ahlul-sunnah, then there should be no problem. - Regarding "believing only the Shafi'i school (or their version of the Shafi'i) school is correct", that's also not correct. Muslims in Malaysia only consider ahlul-sunnah as correct. Most of the Muslims in Malaysia will refrain from takfiri as we accept that we don't know much the reason for the takfir, and also because the accused party is not given a chance to defend himself/herself. However if there's an open and clear kuffr being done, then we accept that the said person is confirm of his/her kuffr, unless of course if the said person repented and publicly declare so. What you experience is probably an interaction with Shafi'i followers who never interact with Muslims from other madzhab. In such cases, of course they wouldn't know about the fiqh according to other madzhab as their sole reference was only Shafi'i fiqh. 2. The colonial law that you mentioned just now was originally devised to prevent the deviants like Ahmadiyya from spreading in Malaysia. Actually, local scholars publicly debated with Ahamadiyya sect in some 1920s and openly declared them as kuffr after that. Also currently there are a small rafidi group that I know in Penang that are actively trying to convert sunnis to their "sect". there was a public debate with them and uploaded to youtube for any local Muslim to watch it. But as usual if the rulers are not sincere, not from people with amanah, then they will try to use any tools available to stifle their opponents. The nationalists are actually very afraid of the Islamists influence. Allahu'alam.
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