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**GarryPaterson** · 06-06-2012, 11:09 AM

- "The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia."
That if very farfetch view. I do not agree entirely with the above statement.
Since you've said you've been away, maybe you do not know that (ustaz) Fathul Bari Mat Jahya (the person being charged in the article you posted) is the present ruling party (ie UMNO) staunch supporter. Hence, I definitely do not believe that the primary aim of the enactment has anything to do with curbing the opposition party.

- "However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so."
on your 2nd point, I say yes. The relevant authorities can now stop any unauthorised person giving deeni talk / teaching.
However, I see that as a POSITIVE precautional measure by the government to curb people from spreading deviant ideologies, create misunderstandings etc.

Yes brother, may statement may appear far fetched, but then again, many things quite far fetched appear to be happening in Malaysia regardless. Nobody in their right mind would dare say hudood was innovation by the scholars, yet today Malaysia has a former prime minister saying such thing and drivel. I know the person being charged is an UMNO supporter, but what better way to make your point than to charge someone, find him guilty then let him off with a suspended sentence. The next person to be charged will then actually have the sentence executed upon them. Quite easy actually.

My problem with the the 2nd point is that it is open to abuse. Why aren't deviant groups like SIS Forum charged? They are politically well connected. What about the Quranites, "Liberal muslims' and such? No such charges being laid upon them. Only warnings and such. My point being is that, the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute those who the government believes are teaching Islam in a way that they feel could threaten the government. Especially since the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda. The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses. This laws essentially means you need a license to perform dakwah. A license to talk? Seriously? Preposterous. This is why I have raised this here. My muslims brothers around the world need to know what is happening is some so-called 'muslim' countries like Malaysia. I did not need to do this in Australia. I could stop a man on the street and talk to him about Islam, and if Allah gave him the hidayah, Insya-Allah he would become a muslim. Here in Malaysia now, if I were to try to convert and non-muslim or try to even tell a muslim what he is doing is wrong, I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation? Brother silat, I have to vociferously disagree with your proposition on the matter here. What it appears to me is that there are far more negatives than positives to this development.

06-06-2012, 11:09 AM	#11
GarryPaterson Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 354 Senior Member	- "The development is primarily aimed at stopping the primarily Islamic opposition party which has many ulama amongst their members from teaching Islam such that it could result in the ruling party losing the coming election in Malaysia." That if very farfetch view. I do not agree entirely with the above statement. Since you've said you've been away, maybe you do not know that (ustaz) Fathul Bari Mat Jahya (the person being charged in the article you posted) is the present ruling party (ie UMNO) staunch supporter. Hence, I definitely do not believe that the primary aim of the enactment has anything to do with curbing the opposition party. - "However, the implications to dakwah activities is far reaching as the authorities can now stop anyone from teaching Islam to anyone else unless they have been accredited by the government authority to do so." on your 2nd point, I say yes. The relevant authorities can now stop any unauthorised person giving deeni talk / teaching. However, I see that as a POSITIVE precautional measure by the government to curb people from spreading deviant ideologies, create misunderstandings etc. Yes brother, may statement may appear far fetched, but then again, many things quite far fetched appear to be happening in Malaysia regardless. Nobody in their right mind would dare say hudood was innovation by the scholars, yet today Malaysia has a former prime minister saying such thing and drivel. I know the person being charged is an UMNO supporter, but what better way to make your point than to charge someone, find him guilty then let him off with a suspended sentence. The next person to be charged will then actually have the sentence executed upon them. Quite easy actually. My problem with the the 2nd point is that it is open to abuse. Why aren't deviant groups like SIS Forum charged? They are politically well connected. What about the Quranites, "Liberal muslims' and such? No such charges being laid upon them. Only warnings and such. My point being is that, the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute those who the government believes are teaching Islam in a way that they feel could threaten the government. Especially since the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda. The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses. This laws essentially means you need a license to perform dakwah. A license to talk? Seriously? Preposterous. This is why I have raised this here. My muslims brothers around the world need to know what is happening is some so-called 'muslim' countries like Malaysia. I did not need to do this in Australia. I could stop a man on the street and talk to him about Islam, and if Allah gave him the hidayah, Insya-Allah he would become a muslim. Here in Malaysia now, if I were to try to convert and non-muslim or try to even tell a muslim what he is doing is wrong, I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation? Brother silat, I have to vociferously disagree with your proposition on the matter here. What it appears to me is that there are far more negatives than positives to this development.
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