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**FelicitaJ** · 06-06-2012, 12:05 PM

Dear bro Ahmed,

I feel reluctant to reply as I see this discussion is going overboard from the initial topic posted. Initially it is about the Islamic enactment and stiffling of Da'wah. Now, hudud is brought up. And then on SIS and politics. And then riba.
Discussion of this nature will cover so big area that usually will continue and continue to no end.

I will try to reply in brief ... May ALLAH make easy for me and give us the understanding.

Yes brother, may statement may appear far fetched, but then again, many things quite far fetched appear to be happening in Malaysia regardless. Nobody in their right mind would dare say hudood was innovation by the scholars, yet today Malaysia has a former prime minister saying such thing and drivel. I know the person being charged is an UMNO supporter, but what better way to make your point than to charge someone, find him guilty then let him off with a suspended sentence. The next person to be charged will then actually have the sentence executed upon them. Quite easy actually.

- In the article, it is mentioned that Fathul Bari is being charged, NOT about letting him off the sentence.

My problem with the the 2nd point is that it is open to abuse. Why aren't deviant groups like SIS Forum charged? They are politically well connected. What about the Quranites, "Liberal muslims' and such? No such charges being laid upon them. Only warnings and such. My point being is that, the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute those who the government believes are teaching Islam in a way that they feel could threaten the government. Especially since the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda. The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses. This laws essentially means you need a license to perform dakwah. A license to talk? Seriously? Preposterous. This is why I have raised this here. My muslims brothers around the world need to know what is happening is some so-called 'muslim' countries like Malaysia. I did not need to do this in Australia. I could stop a man on the street and talk to him about Islam, and if Allah gave him the hidayah, Insya-Allah he would become a muslim. Here in Malaysia now, if I were to try to convert and non-muslim or try to even tell a muslim what he is doing is wrong, I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation? Brother silat, I have to vociferously disagree with your proposition on the matter here. What it appears to me is that there are far more negatives than positives to this development. - Why deviant groups like SIS Forum not charged? They are politically well connected...
I do not know why. Are they politically connected ? ... I also do not know nor have I any solid proof/evidence. I just got to know from the news.
Maybe if you have enough proof and evidence, I suggest that you submit them to the relevant authority so that they can be prosecuted.
However, if you do not have sufficient evidence and solid proofs to prosecute them, then you putting blame on and accusing the government of letting these groups off is improper.

- the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute...
yes I do agree that the law is open to abuse.
However, the freedom for ANYONE to teach is also open to abuse.

- the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda
maybe you should also mention that the government is also implimenting Islamic values. Also, not every one of the government agenda that the government do not take the importance of her muslim people into account.

- The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses.
maybe you should also mention that the government is also promoting Islamic monetary practices as alternatives to the conventional non Islamic monetary system.
Islamic banking, Islamic loans, Islamic insurance etc...

since you are a Malaysian student studying in Australia, I presume you do know that you are inforced to take the health insurance cover ?
Maybe it is better for a student to not study abroad as to avoid any riba'...?
Or avoid driving a vehicle as it involve riba and insurance...

- I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation?
yes, you and anyone else can be charged.

Wallaahu a'lam.

What Im trying to get at is that, it is not an easy matter. Blaming one party for their inadequacy to combat riba' totally, but on the other hand we, ourselves are also not capable of avoiding... that is not fair.
I am ALL FOR fight against riba. Please do not get me wrong.
But I urge the people with the capability (academicians, scholars, professionals, etc) to assist and come up with a detailed practical plan rather than just blaming and accusing.

06-06-2012, 12:05 PM	#12
FelicitaJ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 541 Senior Member	Dear bro Ahmed, I feel reluctant to reply as I see this discussion is going overboard from the initial topic posted. Initially it is about the Islamic enactment and stiffling of Da'wah. Now, hudud is brought up. And then on SIS and politics. And then riba. Discussion of this nature will cover so big area that usually will continue and continue to no end. I will try to reply in brief ... May ALLAH make easy for me and give us the understanding. Yes brother, may statement may appear far fetched, but then again, many things quite far fetched appear to be happening in Malaysia regardless. Nobody in their right mind would dare say hudood was innovation by the scholars, yet today Malaysia has a former prime minister saying such thing and drivel. I know the person being charged is an UMNO supporter, but what better way to make your point than to charge someone, find him guilty then let him off with a suspended sentence. The next person to be charged will then actually have the sentence executed upon them. Quite easy actually. - In the article, it is mentioned that Fathul Bari is being charged, NOT about letting him off the sentence. My problem with the the 2nd point is that it is open to abuse. Why aren't deviant groups like SIS Forum charged? They are politically well connected. What about the Quranites, "Liberal muslims' and such? No such charges being laid upon them. Only warnings and such. My point being is that, the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute those who the government believes are teaching Islam in a way that they feel could threaten the government. Especially since the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda. The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses. This laws essentially means you need a license to perform dakwah. A license to talk? Seriously? Preposterous. This is why I have raised this here. My muslims brothers around the world need to know what is happening is some so-called 'muslim' countries like Malaysia. I did not need to do this in Australia. I could stop a man on the street and talk to him about Islam, and if Allah gave him the hidayah, Insya-Allah he would become a muslim. Here in Malaysia now, if I were to try to convert and non-muslim or try to even tell a muslim what he is doing is wrong, I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation? Brother silat, I have to vociferously disagree with your proposition on the matter here. What it appears to me is that there are far more negatives than positives to this development. - Why deviant groups like SIS Forum not charged? They are politically well connected... I do not know why. Are they politically connected ? ... I also do not know nor have I any solid proof/evidence. I just got to know from the news. Maybe if you have enough proof and evidence, I suggest that you submit them to the relevant authority so that they can be prosecuted. However, if you do not have sufficient evidence and solid proofs to prosecute them, then you putting blame on and accusing the government of letting these groups off is improper. - the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute... yes I do agree that the law is open to abuse. However, the freedom for ANYONE to teach is also open to abuse. - the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda maybe you should also mention that the government is also implimenting Islamic values. Also, not every one of the government agenda that the government do not take the importance of her muslim people into account. - The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses. maybe you should also mention that the government is also promoting Islamic monetary practices as alternatives to the conventional non Islamic monetary system. Islamic banking, Islamic loans, Islamic insurance etc... since you are a Malaysian student studying in Australia, I presume you do know that you are inforced to take the health insurance cover ? Maybe it is better for a student to not study abroad as to avoid any riba'...? Or avoid driving a vehicle as it involve riba and insurance... - I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation? yes, you and anyone else can be charged. Wallaahu a'lam. What Im trying to get at is that, it is not an easy matter. Blaming one party for their inadequacy to combat riba' totally, but on the other hand we, ourselves are also not capable of avoiding... that is not fair. I am ALL FOR fight against riba. Please do not get me wrong. But I urge the people with the capability (academicians, scholars, professionals, etc) to assist and come up with a detailed practical plan rather than just blaming and accusing.
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