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Old 06-06-2012, 12:19 PM   #13
GarryPaterson

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Dear bro Ahmed,

I feel reluctant to reply as I see this discussion is going overboard from the initial topic posted. Initially it is about the Islamic enactment and stiffling of Da'wah. Now, hudud is brought up. And then on SIS and politics. And then riba.
Discussion of this nature will cover so big area that usually will continue and continue to no end.

I will try to reply in brief ... May ALLAH make easy for me and give us the understanding.


- In the article, it is mentioned that Fathul Bari is being charged, NOT about letting him off the sentence.



- Why deviant groups like SIS Forum not charged? They are politically well connected...
I do not know why. Are they politically connected ? ... I also do not know nor have I any solid proof/evidence. I just got to know from the news.
Maybe if you have enough proof and evidence, I suggest that you submit them to the relevant authority so that they can be prosecuted.
However, if you do not have sufficient evidence and solid proofs to prosecute them, then you putting blame on and accusing the government of letting these groups off is improper.

- the law is open to abuse and can be used to selectively prosecute...
yes I do agree that the law is open to abuse.
However, the freedom for ANYONE to teach is also open to abuse.

- the government seems dead set in its nationalist agenda
maybe you should also mention that the government is also implimenting Islamic values. Also, not every one of the government agenda that the government do not take the importance of her muslim people into account.

- The government openly allows riba' to perpetuate and even forces it upon the masses.
maybe you should also mention that the government is also promoting Islamic monetary practices as alternatives to the conventional non Islamic monetary system.
Islamic banking, Islamic loans, Islamic insurance etc...

since you are a Malaysian student studying in Australia, I presume you do know that you are inforced to take the health insurance cover ?
Maybe it is better for a student to not study abroad as to avoid any riba'...?
Or avoid driving a vehicle as it involve riba and insurance...

- I can be charged to trying to preach Islam without accreditation?
yes, you and anyone else can be charged.

Wallaahu a'lam.

What Im trying to get at is that, it is not an easy matter. Blaming one party for their inadequacy to combat riba' totally, but on the other hand we, ourselves are also not capable of avoiding... that is not fair.
I am ALL FOR fight against riba. Please do not get me wrong.
But I urge the people with the capability (academicians, scholars, professionals, etc) to assist and come up with a detailed practical plan rather than just blaming and accusing.
You're right when saying that I am bit off track with raising of the issues riba' and such. So let's refocus the discussion. My point being is they require a license to teach. It's not like making a law saying you will be charged if you teach deviant things. The law is preventive in nature rather than corrective. Everyone is presumed guilty if they don't have license to teach. Even someone who has degree for Al-Azhar or the University of Medina (i.e. accredited by the univesities already) would need to be screened by the government authorities first to determine if they are 'fit' to teach Islam. Why? There is no need if a person is known to have the necessary qualifications to speak on the matter, the only thing is he's not 'licensed' by the government. This is what I am vehemently being critical of here.
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