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**Ephejvll** · 05-28-2012, 08:30 AM

VisitingJewishGuy,

Even though you're more of a cultural Jew, I think I'm gonna have to ask this.

Jews are not allowed to have a state until the coming of the messiah. Current zionists movement "claim" to prepare a state for the coming of messiah (profiteering aside). If the state was supposed to be setup *after* the coming of the messiah, then wouldn't the current state of israel not be considered as the real state for Jews?

Jews were expelled from the area twice before historically. Some of the zionist proponents are actually atheist groups who made some big profits from the projects in israel. Neo conservative Christians on the other hand usher Jews to go back to the area as they believe the destruction of Jews would hasten the coming back of Jesus (Prophet Isa

) - though they would deny any responsibilities should anything happen. Well, land grabbing at gun points definitely would create bad bloods among the Muslims and the migrated Jews to the areas, and cycles of violence would create bigger flames each time.

Looking back at the historical event that happened during the two times expulsions, the Jews at the time didn't concentrate on their religion. Indeed when Khalifah Umar

went to Jerusalem, the site for Temple Mount was a dump site.

Prophet Muhamad

told us all that there'll be a war between Muslims and Jews in the area in the future. Looking at the trend, it's more or less like the first and second time Jews were expelled from the area, as if more and more Jews are forgetting their religion? So more or less it would be like a war between Muslims (who are steadfast in our religion

) and Jews (who are basically no longer practice their religion)?

What's your opinion on this?

Allah

Knows Best.

05-28-2012, 08:30 AM	#25
Ephejvll Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	VisitingJewishGuy, Even though you're more of a cultural Jew, I think I'm gonna have to ask this. Jews are not allowed to have a state until the coming of the messiah. Current zionists movement "claim" to prepare a state for the coming of messiah (profiteering aside). If the state was supposed to be setup after the coming of the messiah, then wouldn't the current state of israel not be considered as the real state for Jews? Jews were expelled from the area twice before historically. Some of the zionist proponents are actually atheist groups who made some big profits from the projects in israel. Neo conservative Christians on the other hand usher Jews to go back to the area as they believe the destruction of Jews would hasten the coming back of Jesus (Prophet Isa ) - though they would deny any responsibilities should anything happen. Well, land grabbing at gun points definitely would create bad bloods among the Muslims and the migrated Jews to the areas, and cycles of violence would create bigger flames each time. Looking back at the historical event that happened during the two times expulsions, the Jews at the time didn't concentrate on their religion. Indeed when Khalifah Umar went to Jerusalem, the site for Temple Mount was a dump site. Prophet Muhamad told us all that there'll be a war between Muslims and Jews in the area in the future. Looking at the trend, it's more or less like the first and second time Jews were expelled from the area, as if more and more Jews are forgetting their religion? So more or less it would be like a war between Muslims (who are steadfast in our religion ) and Jews (who are basically no longer practice their religion)? What's your opinion on this? Allah Knows Best.
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