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**Quonuttott** · 04-02-2012, 03:08 AM

Dear Brothers, Assalaamoalaikum

Whatever I have read from the above posts, in particular from our Brother Seekerof Guidance, are opinions of people like you and me - albeit people who have spent their whole life for the Deen of Allah(SWT) and with whom,in all probability Allah(SWT) Is very pleased with, Inshallah.

Opinions of people do not send one to hell or to paradise. Only Allah(SWT) Has this prerogative and priviledge. No one can hijack this prerogative and this priviledge. HE is the ONLY MASTER of the Day of Judgment.

Most of the time, when one is confronted with an issue such as that of Bid'a, one undertakes all sorts of acrobacy such as here classifying bid'a as legal, as linguistic, etc .... to justify this interpretation or that interpretation. Bid'a in our case refers to this matter of ours. This matter of ours is the Deen of Allah(SWT) - Al Islam - the only straight path that leads to Allah(SWT). So, when we speak of Bid'a, we are speaking of Bid'a in conjunction with al-Islam. It is as simple as this.

Next, very often, we read about ijma, concensus. And I am tempted to ask: Which Ijma? Which Concensus? Do we have one such ijma, one such concensus?

On several threads I have asked two questions: (a) Why did the Holy Messenger(SAW) not do certain actions? (b) Why did the Sahabah not do certain actions? No answer to date, which incidentally leads me to conclude that even the various authorities (May Allah(SWT) Be pleased with them all) mentioned in the various posts above, did not consider this approach in discussing the Bid'a issue.

Last but not least: I am what my pakistani/indian brothers would qualify as a pakka bid'ati. I participate in mawlid, in group du'a, in group dhikr (loud ones), group salaat-us-salaam, listen to naats/anasheeds, in fact I participate in all that would be classified as bid'a as per above posts. And yet, Allah(SWT) continues to guide me, and to answer my du'as. That would seem to be a contradiction to what is apparent from all that has been said in the previous posts!

And before we conclude: We usually tend to quote certain hadiths to prove our point and we tend to forget certain other hadiths that would counter the points we are trying to make. All sides tend to adopt this strategy.

Brotherly yours
farook

04-02-2012, 03:08 AM	#23
Quonuttott Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	Dear Brothers, Assalaamoalaikum Whatever I have read from the above posts, in particular from our Brother Seekerof Guidance, are opinions of people like you and me - albeit people who have spent their whole life for the Deen of Allah(SWT) and with whom,in all probability Allah(SWT) Is very pleased with, Inshallah. Opinions of people do not send one to hell or to paradise. Only Allah(SWT) Has this prerogative and priviledge. No one can hijack this prerogative and this priviledge. HE is the ONLY MASTER of the Day of Judgment. Most of the time, when one is confronted with an issue such as that of Bid'a, one undertakes all sorts of acrobacy such as here classifying bid'a as legal, as linguistic, etc .... to justify this interpretation or that interpretation. Bid'a in our case refers to this matter of ours. This matter of ours is the Deen of Allah(SWT) - Al Islam - the only straight path that leads to Allah(SWT). So, when we speak of Bid'a, we are speaking of Bid'a in conjunction with al-Islam. It is as simple as this. Next, very often, we read about ijma, concensus. And I am tempted to ask: Which Ijma? Which Concensus? Do we have one such ijma, one such concensus? On several threads I have asked two questions: (a) Why did the Holy Messenger(SAW) not do certain actions? (b) Why did the Sahabah not do certain actions? No answer to date, which incidentally leads me to conclude that even the various authorities (May Allah(SWT) Be pleased with them all) mentioned in the various posts above, did not consider this approach in discussing the Bid'a issue. Last but not least: I am what my pakistani/indian brothers would qualify as a pakka bid'ati. I participate in mawlid, in group du'a, in group dhikr (loud ones), group salaat-us-salaam, listen to naats/anasheeds, in fact I participate in all that would be classified as bid'a as per above posts. And yet, Allah(SWT) continues to guide me, and to answer my du'as. That would seem to be a contradiction to what is apparent from all that has been said in the previous posts! And before we conclude: We usually tend to quote certain hadiths to prove our point and we tend to forget certain other hadiths that would counter the points we are trying to make. All sides tend to adopt this strategy. Brotherly yours farook
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