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**Hammaduersnes** · 04-15-2012, 03:37 AM

I don't think it is a religious issue because as I mentioned, then Muslim Americans are also fair game for takfeer. I'm not talking about immigrants, I'm talking about American citizens, who pledge themselves to the country and many have shown support for the army or are in the army themselves.

as salamlaikym

there's a difference between living in a country as tax paying citizens, (altho imam awlaqi was of the opinion, those who support killings of muslims with their tax money are also combatants, and muslims should make hijrat) and intentionally allowing the transport of materials through your land that you know will aide NATO soldiers in killing more Afghan Muslims, they don't have to be weapons, but lets face it, the US knows the pakistani parliaments in their hands now, they'll be transporting weapons and ammunition too (which are not allowed in the agreement yet), but it's only a matter of time.

However since you're not talking about immigrants and about American citizens who are part of a kaafir army fighting muslims, that's clear cut kufr. There's no excuse.

Furthermore, it can even be seen as two kufr entities dealing with one another, with a Muslim member trying to find a balance between having all Muslims killed or few Muslims killed when there is no option available to have no Muslims killed. Nothing in the deal indicates "few muslims killed". The drone strikes will continue. If excuses need to be made for maulana, then it makes sense he was blackmailed into giving his consent the night before when zardari invited maulana over. Of course that doesnt mean ppl jump to making takfeer, but it remains a religious issue.

04-15-2012, 03:37 AM	#31
Hammaduersnes Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 701 Senior Member	I don't think it is a religious issue because as I mentioned, then Muslim Americans are also fair game for takfeer. I'm not talking about immigrants, I'm talking about American citizens, who pledge themselves to the country and many have shown support for the army or are in the army themselves. as salamlaikym there's a difference between living in a country as tax paying citizens, (altho imam awlaqi was of the opinion, those who support killings of muslims with their tax money are also combatants, and muslims should make hijrat) and intentionally allowing the transport of materials through your land that you know will aide NATO soldiers in killing more Afghan Muslims, they don't have to be weapons, but lets face it, the US knows the pakistani parliaments in their hands now, they'll be transporting weapons and ammunition too (which are not allowed in the agreement yet), but it's only a matter of time. However since you're not talking about immigrants and about American citizens who are part of a kaafir army fighting muslims, that's clear cut kufr. There's no excuse. Furthermore, it can even be seen as two kufr entities dealing with one another, with a Muslim member trying to find a balance between having all Muslims killed or few Muslims killed when there is no option available to have no Muslims killed. Nothing in the deal indicates "few muslims killed". The drone strikes will continue. If excuses need to be made for maulana, then it makes sense he was blackmailed into giving his consent the night before when zardari invited maulana over. Of course that doesnt mean ppl jump to making takfeer, but it remains a religious issue.
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